E-Reader Quandry

I have a Nook Color and a Kindle 2. I rooted the Nook color so I use it to browse the internet and I have some apps installed on it such as TapaTalk (good for browsing forums) and the Facebook app. I’ve read books on it and it is fine, but because it is backlit the battery life is far inferior to the Kindle. I read it at night and leave it charging. The nooks uses .epub files which is what libaries use so it will be easier to read library books on it.

The Kindle is good for books but I don’t like it for pdfs because of the screen size. You can adjust the font so the pdfs tend to be hard to read. The battery life is really good. I charge mine maybe once a week when using it every night.

Personally, I chose a Nook because:

Reads more formats and has less DRM: I don’t have to buy “kindle formatted” Ebooks from Amazon, I can get any epub-format books from a number of sites, and it natively reads PDFs

I hate the little keyboard thingy on the Kindle. Hate it.

I like the e-Ink display on the Nook better

And most importantly:

Micro SD memory card option built into the base hardware. That means if I ever fill up the Nook, or want a set of “speciality” books I’m not planning to use very often (like textbooks or comic books) or that take up a lot of memory, I can plop those on to the memory card and then only plug it in when I want them, saving a lot of space on the base Nook. Plus, I use another card as a backup so I can transfer my whole library to another Nook whenever I want.

I concur - don’t buy anything without handling it first and it would be best if you can handle them both at once.

However, the Nook comment is correct only if you’re talking about the Color. Well, the original black-and-white Nook might be heavier than its Kindle counterpart, but the newest black-and-white is stunningly light weight. The Color is, indeed, heavy.

I think (but may be misremembering) that you can also turn pages with a swipe across the screen on the newest Nook - I looked at it a month or so back thinking of getting one as a gift for someone.

Does the new nook have buttons for turning pages, because I would hate to have to swipe the screen to do it.

The bottom line is I think you have to decide simply do you want e-ink or color? If you go e-ink you are really the only one who can decide if you like the form and functionality of the kindle, nook, kobo, sony or some other. In reality the new nook and the kindle while different in some ways probably offer fundamentally the same reading experience. I love my Kindle, but I am sure I would equally love the new Nook.

The new Nook has thoroughly rubberized rocker buttons on either side of the screen. You can set it so that the up or down button advances the page.

You can swipe the screen or just touch it on either side to turn the page.

As much as I adore the new Nook, it’s hard to recommend that someone run right out and purchase one when we know that Amazon will be releasing some kind of super Kindle/tablet before Christmas.

Amazon’s insistence upon a closed DRMy system will probably keep me well away from their hardware. OTOH, if they produce a decent color e-ink screen, I may have to hop on the bandwagon with a leg of crow in hand.

This isn’t really any different from Barnes & Noble, is it? (They use a different DRM system, but they both use DRM.)

I don’t know whether that’s what the upcoming Kindles will have, but I figure it’s only a matter of time before color takes over B&W and becomes the standard, the way it did with photography, and movies, and TV, and computer printers.

Agreed. Why Kobo 3 decided to turf the button and go touch screen is beyond me…

Yeah, the new Nook is great. I can hold it in one hand with my thumb resting on the page turn button, and turn pages with basically no effort at all (great for riding the train)

Amazon has confirmed that they’re not releasing a color e-ink reader. They will be releasing an Android tablet soon, but I like my e-ink too much to use a tablet for reading.

Sony is coming out with a new e-ink reader next month. Might be worth waiting for, though I doubt the e-ink technology will be any different than is in the Nook.

I should add that all e-ink screens use the same technology, supplied by E Ink company. E Ink has confirmed that color e-ink “is not ready for prime time”. This also means that all e-readers which are released around the same time should have the same quality screens, so if you buy an e-reader you’re basically buying a form-factor and an ecosystem.

Not exactly. I’m hoping Kindle owners will chime in here as I’m an ignorant Nook owner.

When I was researching e-readers a few months back I was blown away at the number of extra hoops a person will sometimes have to go through in order to upload non-amazon content to the Kindle.

ASIN, PID numbers, there can be a lot of faffing about if you want a book that isn’t available on Amazon or you want to put your illegally downloaded library onto your Kindle.

Also, Amazon keeps getting caught in DRM-related boondoggles. Remember when Amazon deleted books from users’ Kindles, or how about the fact that you’re only allowed a certain # of downloads.

Which isn’t to say Kindles are bad, they clearly kick ass and all the aforementioned can be worked around with a Google search or two. I just hate DRM, I want to be able to blithely transfer my ever-expanding media library from device to device without a hitch.

I bought ~40 itunes when my ipod was new and the DRM has been a plague. Every time I switch computers and the one time I switched ipods those ~40 songs had to be re-authorized. What a pile of shit, I paid for them, I own them and I shouldn’t have to screw around proving it to Apple. I finally deleted the DRM’d songs and downloaded new copies for free. Here’s a good Slate article about media distribution.

Remember how people keep bringing up this one, isolated incident (that Amazon has admitted they handled badly and won’t every do it again)?

Now this is the first time I’ve heard about this one. If true, it does disturb me, particularly since I hadn’t heard about it. But, since this particular article is from two years ago and rests on the word of one particular Amazon customer service rep, I was dubious. So, I went looking for confirmation or denial, and I found this followup article, posted on that very same site the very next day, clarifying that it’s not nearly as bad as the alarmist first article makes it sound. (I also found this page of "Kindle myths and partial truths.)
As for the whole DRM issue, and how it relates to the Kindle vs Nook debates, willia4 spelled it all out really well in Post #11 of this Nook vs. Kindle thread back in January.
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There are two main considerations when figuring out how future-proof your new eReader is going to be: File Formats and DRM.

A file format is a way of describing how the text and formatting of an eBook has been stored in the file so that it can be decoded by the reader and displayed on the screen. There are many file formats for an eReader maker to choose from (plain text files, HTML files, PDF files, AZW files, Mobi files, and EPUB files are some major ones. Wikipedia has a more-or-less exhaustive list).

For the most part (especially when comparing Nooks and Kindles), file format doesn’t really matter. EPUBs can be easily converted to Mobis and Mobis can easily be converted to EPUBs with no-to-very-little loss of formatting using a program like Calibre. Both readers support reading PDFs though it’s not a great experience (the Kindle DX is much better for PDFs because of its larger format display; but for my money, nothing beats an iPad for PDFs). Calibre can also convert PDFs to EPUBs or Mobis, but there are often significant formatting issues so I can’t recommend it.

Many, many, many people talk about the file formats for Kindles and Nooks being incompatible; but I really don’t understand it. You can convert one to the other in a few seconds and then you’re on your way. EPUB or Mobi is just not a big deal.

There is a big deal, though, and that’s DRM. DRM, or Digital Rights Management, is a method that all the major eReaders use to attempt to prevent you from spreading an eBook around the Internet. Essentially, the file is encrypted (or locked) with some secret. Sometimes, the secret is a device ID. Sometimes, it’s the credit card number you used to buy the book. Sometimes it’s a number that the services ties to your account and keeps on the Internet. But this is where the real incompatibilities come in: until you decrypt the file, you can’t read it. Its file format doesn’t matter.

Amazon has created their own DRM scheme for Kindles that they haven’t licensed to anyone else. If you buy a book from Amazon, you can read it on a Kindle and nowhere else (because no one else will know how to decrypt it). In practice, this isn’t a big deal: Amazon has Kindle software for Windows PCs, Macs, Android phones and tablets, Apple phones and tablets, and anything else where they think it’s viable. Within their own private ecosystem, Amazon is making a real attempt to let you read your book everywhere you want to.

Adobe (the makers of such beloved software as Adobe Acrobat and Flash) has also created a DRM system. They’ve licensed it to a lot of people. The Sony eReaders use it. I think the Kobo uses it. There are various readers on various smartphones and such that can decrypt these files. The Nook can also decrypt files using Adobe’s system.

This is nice because more and more libraries are lending eBooks and they’re using Adobe’s DRM to do it. So the Nook can read books from these libraries and Kindles can’t.

For an example of the confusion all of this can cause, think of Apple’s iBooks app. iBooks uses EPUB files, but it uses Apple’s FairPlay DRM. So even if you get an EPUB from your library (assuming it was encrypted with Adobe’s DRM), you won’t be able to read it with iBooks. Even though they’re both EPUBs. If it weren’t DRM’d, you would be able to read it with iBooks or a Nook or a Kindle (after a brief conversion) or printing it out for that luddite feeling.

So, it’s DRM that limits your options and not file format.

There’s a little hope, though. DRM is inherently broken. If someone sells you a book, you expect to be able to read it. So you have to have SOME way to decrypt it. The DRM systems use the sneakiest methods they can think of to hide this way from you, but enterprising people have figured out how to expose it for the major formats (except, perhaps, for Apple’s FairPlay). Breaking DRM is illegal in the United States, however, so don’t ask me how to do it.

Also, I take a bit of hope from the music industry. Music downloads (on iTunes, for instance) used to be DRM’d as well. But, eventually, they realized that it wasn’t cutting down on piracy and was making it harder for consumers to play the music they bought (so they’d just go pirate it instead). Today, all the music you can buy on iTunes or from Amazon’s MP3 store are unencrypted. I expect the publishing industry to learn this same lesson in the next decade.

What does this mean for you vis-a-vis Kindles vs. Nooks?

If you buy something from Amazon’s Kindle store, you can only read it on a Kindle or with one of Amazon’s Kindle apps.

If you buy something from B&N’s Nook store, you can only read it (as far as I know) on a Nook or with one of B&N’s Nook apps (I know there’s an iOS one. I don’t know if they have more.).

If you want to buy a book from a third-party store, you’ll probably be able to read it on a Nook (it will probably use Adobe’s system) and you probably won’t be able to read it on a Kindle (unless they sell it unencrypted).

If you want to borrow books from your local library, you won’t be able to read them on a Kindle and you will be able to read them on a Nook (or a Sony reader or anything else that uses Adobe’s scheme).

If you have an unencrypted book in one file format, you can convert it to whatever format you want and read it just about anywhere. Project Gutenberg is a great source for public domain books in all of the major formats.

And that’s the skinny on file formats and DRM.
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How did you get the non-DRM’ed copies for free?

Or, er, don’t you want to say that on the boards?

I haven’t tweaked my iTunes music, though I was tempted (when iTunes insisted on authorizing each computer user individually, using up 3 of the 5 authorized machines in one fell swoop). I know there are ways of doing it. Probably similar to what I did with my EReader books.

And if someone had Kindle books and wanted to churn them to read on a new device, there are doubtless ways to do that (similar to what I did with the pdb formatted books). So, availablility of books shouldn’t be a real deciding factor.

Yeah, board rules, I’ve never done it but…In theory, a person could download a program like uTorrent and then use PirateBay or just tack “torrent” onto any search term in Google to find loads of DRM-free music.

Thudlow Boink’s repost of willia4 is a great rundown of DRM. The important bit is of course that music from Amazon and iTunes no longer has DRM, so aside from paranoia about hidden DRM or an unwillingness to pay, there’s no reason not to purchase music legally.

As far as ebooks go, there are ways around everything so maybe you should just buy the hardware you find most appealing.

Too true.

I’d be very nervous about any “free” music because I’ve heard a lot of those sites host viruses etc..

But regarding the books: yes, you can fix them to read on whichever device you own. My kindle-bought books (and there weren’t many) now live on my Nook. So now I can buy ebooks from whomever has the best price, but I won’t share anything that doesn’t explicitly say “ok to share” (like the Baen library).

The legality of such book-tweaking is still under debate (the last I heard, the thinking was it was fine to do it, but not fine to distribute the tools to do it).