I’m so sick of this fucking attitude. Some brainless tart in Hollywood looses weight and gets implants and suddenly she’s the poster child and whipping post for every advocate of some mysterious “normal” sized person. Whatever that is. :rolleyes:
And lest anyone gets upset with the thin guy making fun of fat people, let me just tell you that I’ve struggled with a weight problem my entire life. Having tried many diets and exercise programs I’ve finally found something that works and that something is a strictly followed exercise routine and diet. Every single fucking day is a struggle to stick to my routine and the payoff is being able to easily run 10 miles, cycle a century, swim modestly, do chinups and dips with ease and actually look good in almost any clothes (or no clothes at all )
And not once do I tell overweight people what they need to do to lose weight. I know how fucking hard it is to be heavy and how tough it is to lose even small amounts of weight.
So with all due respect don’t fucking tell me to eat a sandwich or what you think a “normal” body size is. I see what passes for “normal” these days… it’ ain’t “normal”. :mad:
To be fair, eating too little can turn into serious problems. Not just “you don’t fit the definition of normality” problems but life-threatening eating disorders. So people could be just genuinely worried.
In general, probably not. But just to put it out there.
There ARE normal sized people. I think I’m pretty normal for a 34 year old. I’m a size 8, but I’m well-endowed and curvy. I have a small tummy that I’ve always had, my whole life, and I’ve come to realize that’s part and parcel of being busty. They go together, and very few people can have one without the other, unless they spend a lot of time in the gym, or with a plastic surgeon.
Though I’m in decent shape, I could never be in a commercial or an underwear ad. Why? Because all those women are size 0-2. If you think that’s “normal” for a grown woman, you live in a fantasy world.
Also, if only you knew how many girls think they have to be a size 0-2 to be normal. Girls who are beautiful, fit, and healthy think they are fat because they have a curvy, feminine shape. They think a board-flat stomach is required, when frankly, it’s not an attainable goal for women with a more rounded build once they get out of their bouncy teen years. Frankly, they do not need guys like you telling them that Jessica Simpson is some paragon of the normal female form. It’s just not.
You keep insisting this is true and I don’t disagree that size 8 is not outside a reasonable healthy range. But size 0 and 2 are perfectly healthy and normal. I have a feeling that you visualize some sort of skeletal physique. I don’t think that’s true in the least.
My ex-wife is a tri-athlete and a size 2 (or xs/s) at Victoria’s. At 5’7" she’s an almost perfect 35-23-35.
My current girlfriend is a little shorter but equally fit in a size 0. No bones sticking out anywhere and a killer flat tummy, 34 B/C chest, sexy hips. She kicks my ass in a 10 miler.
I know plenty of women who are very feminine and are very athletic.
As far as I know, I’m not living in any fantasy world.
First of all, I think we’re talking about apples and oranges here. This whole thing started because you said Jessica Simpson looked perfectly normal. If she did not have ginormous boobs and a board-flat stomach, maybe. It’s not abnormal for some women to be very thin, naturally. But those boobs do not match the rest of her and make her look really wrong, NOT normal. Body fat is normal for a woman, and it’s not really normal to have huge deposits of body fat in one place and nowhere else. It is a cartoonish representation of the feminine shape.
And I’m sure she’s lovely, but she’s not holding down the top end of the bell curve either, is she? She’s way down there at the bottom, holding down the leftward end. She probably spends a shitload of time working out, because most triathletes are exercise fiends and their body shapes are not “normal.” That’s not to say they are freakish or abnormal, but they are certainly not typical. Also, noteveryone can BE a triathlete, even if they wanted to. Between my arthritis and my natural build, there’s no way I could do it. Thus, I will try to hold here at a size 8 with just diet and walking around.
Yeah, and you didn’t think Jessica Simpson had any bones sticking out either.
This is where I think the fantasy world comes in. Do you think a board-flat stomach is feminine? I don’t. I also don’t think fake boobs are feminine, or protruding hip and rib bones. But to each his own. Just don’t tell me I’m anti-fitness because I’m anti-unrealistic body forms. That’s a straw man argument that you’re making, not an argument you’re having with me.
I’m one of them, too. I’m 5’4" and weigh about 115 lbs. It’s not my fault. I eat a very high-fat diet, consisting mainly of cheeseburgers and potato chips. I just don’t seem to gain weight. It has to be in the genes, because all of the women in my family are slim.
My co-workers tease me about being “scrawny” all the time. They constantly offer me food, and then roll their eyes when I say I’ve already eaten. “You never eat,” they say. I also get constant comments on my weight: “You look like you’ve lost weight again! If this keeps up you’ll blow away in a strong wind.” I used to drink Slim-Fast shakes at lunch to get the vitamins that are lacking in my diet. That was a big mistake. People started thinking I was anorexic.
I’m offended by it, to tell you the truth. It’s just as rude to joke about how skinny someone is as it is to tease a fat person. As a result, I wear baggy clothes, and in the winter, multiple layers,to try to look more substantial. I feel just as self-concious as I imagine a heavy person must feel.
If this is not too forward, what is your bra size? Because my point here is not that being thin is unhealthy. It’s that “popsicle stick with two canteloupe halves stuck to it” look that so many models and actresses sport is what I have a problem with. Either you have the big boobs OR you have the flat stomach, has been my experience of normalcy for women, with room for exceptions, of course.
Another problem I have is the elevation of one body shape over all the other possible, healthy, normal shapes a person can have. Unless you are a size 0-2, you are fat. This is what a lot of women seem to think, and it’s a very bad way to look at yourself. Unrealistic images like this are not good for girls to internalize.
I knew a gril in high school who was thin all over except she did have quite large boobs. They weren’t implants, as they weren’t all perky, but sometimes it does happen. So many shapes and sizes.
They are not unrealistic if the women (in this case) come by them honestly, i.e. through good diet and exercise. As for breast implants, I have no problem with them as they are a personal choice any woman (or man) should have the right to make. And breasts, real or augmented, are very feminine. It’s the nature of breasts.
And JS in that picture looks quite normal to me. The argument that most women’s ribs and hips are well padded in America does not convince me that this is either “normal” or healthy – it’s just the norm.
I’m not trying to be contencious here, I’d really like to know why you think that “normal” is between a size 8 and 16 (or somewhere in there). It may very well be the average in N.A. but why is it “normal” when most studies say that people are getting fatter on average.
Absolutely. Some people may mean it as a compliment, because they think being thin is automatically a good thing, but personal remarks of any kind are rude. MYOB, people.
Now, that’s just plain ridiculous. No, not these women’s physiques—it doesn’t sound as though there’s anything at all wrong with their physiques—but the fact that they’re called a “size 2” or “size 0”.
I know that women’s clothing sizes are exasperatingly un-standardized, but IME a 23" waist usually puts you in the size-6 range or thereabouts, while 35" bust and hips would make you a size 8 or 10. Merciful heavens, if a 5’7" 35-23-35 woman is a size 2, what would a 5’1" 30-22-28 woman have to wear? Size negative-4 or something?
If clothing sizes have been “inflated” to the point where a typical healthy, attractive, fit size-6 woman now has to be identified as a size-0, then our society really does have some body-image problems.
Kimstu, my experience diverges from yours in a big way (and I see we’re only about 60 miles from each other). I’m a 39-29-40 and I wear a 10. Women’s sizes, it seems, are all over the map.
If I may add on to this rant, what really torques me are people saying that I am getting too skinny. WTF, I lose 20 pounds and want to lose 15 more, bringing me down to gasp 135 pounds, and that’s too skinny? The hell?
I think that clothes sizing has grown to fit the burgeoning public. “Petite” sizes have stepped in to fill the very thin set. Similarly, “relaxed fit” has helped people size up without actually up sizing.
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