Eating less but not losing weight

To lose weight by not eating I usually throw everything out and live on:

  1. Two fingers of orange juice and one Special K bar in the morning, every morning, no matter how unhungry I am.
  2. Beef or buffalo jerky for lunch followed by a vigorous walk of not less than 30 minutes.
  3. Unlimited black coffee throughout the day.
  4. More jerky for dinner if I want it. Decaff coffee or hot tea before bed for the psychological comfort factor of something warm in the stomach.
  5. No more than 2 cans of diet soda a day.
  6. If I cheat, I cheat all at once. If I have to go out for dinner, I just order what I want with all the trimmings. I find cheating once a week or so doesn’t cause problems.

Once I get this system going I find the weight sheds off at about a half to a full pound per day, and I just keep going until I reach the weight I want. Cottonmouth and general weakness set in at first but fade quickly after my body adjusts. But that’s just what I do, I wouldn’t necessarily advise that everyone try this.

Cheese- although fairly high in calories- has much stuff in there very good for you. It’s an excellent source of calcium and protiens. There is no lard in cheese. :rolleyes:
White bread is no more fattening that other breads, although most white bread doesn’t have much fiber, which fiber is found in most whole grain breads.

Mayo is very fattening.

I wouldn’t. BMI doesn’t account for body composition. The man pictured here, at 5’ 10" and 210# is borderline obese. I certainly was not as strong or as lean, but when I played racquetball and volleyball competitively, I was 6’0" and ~200#, and I can guaran-damn-tee you I was not overweight. Just about anyone who does moderate weight training will be overweight by the measure on that site.

We won’t talk about what the numbers say about me today and whether they might be an accurate reflection, though…

I’ve read (Dr. Bob Arnot, if memory serves) that a slice of white bread is equivalent to a packet of sugar and 1/4 of a multivitamin. Don’t know if he was speaking in rhetoric or what he believes are truths, but any way you slice it, whole grains are better for you.

I was just about to come galloping to the defense of cheese, but I see that the good Doctor has beaten me to it. Cheese is essentially concentrated milk, with all the good (lots of calcium and protein) and bad (realtively high fat content) that entails. In moderation, quality cheese (i.e. does not come out of squeeze tube or spray can) is entirely healthy.

Well, he’s a little right, but he’s disingenuous. The Complex Carbs in in even white bread are different than the simple carbs in sugar. Brown bread isn’t any better than white bread. Real Whole grain bread does have significant fiber, which is good for you.

However, real whole grain does seem to have other benefits:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/70/3/412
*The lower risk associated with higher whole-grain intake was not fully explained by its contribution to intakes of dietary fiber, folate, vitamin B-6, and vitamin E.

Conclusions: Increased intake of whole grains may protect against CHD. *

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/78/3/383?ct
Background: Recent epidemiologic study results showed that subjects who had high intakes of whole-grain foods had lower risks of death and heart disease than did subjects who had low intakes.

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v55/n2/abs/1601133a.html
Conclusion: Protection by whole grain intake against chronic disease is suggested in Norway, where four times as much whole grain is consumed as in the United States.

But note we are talking about *real whole grain * breads, not just “brown bread”.

And, it’s not like white bread is bad for you, just that whole grain is slightly better.

I too was about to clarify my own post (wherein I compared a cheese and mayo sandwich to a Snickers bar). In moderation, cheese is very good for you. I like a slice in the morning as brain food.

Moderation is the key. A single 1oz. slice of cheddar has about 7 grams of protein, 9 grams of fat (roughly 6 grams of that is saturated fat). A slice at breakfast with an apple and oat a bit of oat bran is a heathly meal.

A cheese and mayo sandwich every day for lunch is a bit rich. Although the true culprit there would be the mayonnaise. One table spoon of mayonnaise has the same calorie content as one ounce of cheddar and eleven grams of fat and does not have the good stuff like calcium.

Breakfast idea: A small bowl of cereal, maybe 1/2 - 3/4 cup. Cheerios, not Frosted Flakes. (Frosted Mini Wheats are good, though.) With skim milk. And a piece of fruit with the skin on. It’s filling and nutritionally sound, and it tastes pretty good.

Hint: Look for the words “whole grain” on the ingredients list. If it says “whole grain” on the from of the package, that might just be advertising. Bakeries are very dishonest that way.

As I understand it (and I may be wrong), whole grain bread converts to sugar more slower than white, and that can help with hunger and metabolism. As well, whole grain makes you feel fuller, so you can be happy eating less of it.

And one slice of bread per meal (as your only carb) is plenty. Two is twice what you need. Bagels are right out – one bagel today equals about 4-5 slices of bread. That’s calorie city.

You need some fats, but not much. And not all fats are created equal. From much needed to pure evil, they are omega 3, omega 6, vegetable, animal, and trans. (I’m missing something, I’m sure.)

I’m under the impression that packaged breads that say “whole grain” or “whole wheat” must actually be so.

Concur, that’s what I’ve read. Same book as before; if I remember I’ll look for it tonight.

Rather than vegetable and animal, it might be better to say mono unsaturated, poly unsaturated, and saturated. Coconut and palm oils, and avocados, are high in saturated fats, whereas wild salmon is an excellent source of Omega-3 fatty acids.

A widely believed yet erroneous diet myth:

Your impression would be wrong, though. Arnold “Whole Grain Classic” bread, for instance, lists bleached flour as the first ingredient. And it has 1g of fiber. Stop and Shop stoned ground whole wheat also does not contain whole grains, but has 5g of fiber.

The claim “whole grain” on the front is about as meaningful as “Fresh and Tasty.” It’s a deception that really pisses me off, and is almost worthy of a Pit thread.

Whole wheat is a whole grain.
From The Wheat Foods Council

That explains the Arnolds’ labeling. It needs to say 100% Whole Wheat to actually be whole grain.

Interesting. I was under the impression that whole wheat had the germ but not the brand. It appears I’ve been misinformed. That is indeed good news.

I’m still getting 5 times the fiber from S&S brand, though.

A thought, however – does it have to say “100%”? None of the brands I saw said that, IIRC. The one I brought home doesn’t.

The Lit Review portion of the study has a good summary of the current research:

But the actual study itself seems rather dubious. The actual claim was that there was not sufficient evidence to support the claim that nighttime eating causes weight gain. However, the reported a p value of 0.34 with a sample size of 16 but they didn’t bother to compute any power figures so I’m dubious as to whether the study even had sufficient power to detect anything. Yes, they were doing studies on rhesus monkeys but on post-ovariectomized female rhesus monkeys who were suddenly switched from a low-cal to a high-cal diet so who knows how generally applicable this data is. Additionally, every rhesus monkey was fed the same number of calories. One of the main hypotheses for late-night weight gain is that it affects the number of calories that you consume because either a) the foods you eat late at night tend to be more high-calorie and high fat and that b) your hunger signals are different which causes you to eat more food.

The Kant study seems to be much better evidence as it involved 7000 people over a 10 year period and found no evidence.

I just read a study that show boiled potatoes as having the very highest “satiety” rating.

Having “whole wheat” on the label does mean it has to contain some whole wheat. But you have to see “whole wheat” first on the ingredients.

And most unfortunately of all, our appetites don’t seem to diminish with our metabolism, and eating from a brown bag at your desk is way less invigorating than going out someplace. Eating at your desk is like not taking a break at all.

You call yourself Grossbottom, and are handing out diet advice?? :smiley:

A horribly unhealthy combination of foods :eek: People have come up with all sorts of hideous ‘diets’ only to regain the lost weight. The only solution to attaining and maintaining a healthy weight is to change one’s lifestyle and eat for health. And exercise of course.

I’ll put a good word in for hummus which was condemned by another poster as being too fatty. It’s actually not that high in fat at all and is very good for you because it’s made of chickpeas. The olive oil used to make it is a ‘good’ fat.

Hard to imagine a worse “diet”:

No breakfast

Fat sandwiches for lunch varied by adding extra fat

Majority of calories consumed in the evening.

Study dude.