Ebonics?

Okay, I knew a decent amount about AAVE from a linguistics perspective, but didn’t know too much about the actual Oakland controversy. As far as I can tell, the Oakland board somewhat flubbed the wording of the bill, and the NAACP overreacted, and then even after the wording was fixed, they continued to maintain their position, even after numerous linguists with hard, empirical, tested data came to set them straight.

The board’s resolution had nothing to do with “encouraging AAVE.” (There was some language in there about “maintaining the legitimacy and richness”, but the actual goal of the resolution was reading comprehension in SAE) It was noted that many child speakers of AAVE were delayed in language skills. It was noted, with empirical data about similar cases of both secondary language instruction and similar cases in other countries (and well documented by linguists and teachers alike), that by treating the language or dialect as legitimate, and issuing instruction with that language or dialect in mind they could much more easily facilitate the student’s ability to get up to acceptable levels in “normal” language skills at school.

In other words, the very thing you and the NAACP want – for lower class black people to speak better English, was the entire goal of the endeavor. It turned out, with hard data, that recognizing AAVE and using it to help with instruction was the best option of actually getting these kids.

In my opinion, going against a bunch of children’s well being just because it’s politically expedient isn’t exactly a great idea. Especially not when pretty much every Linguist and Secondary Language Instructor had real, legitimate, peer reviewed studies to support that it works and the side against it has diddly squat other than a vague feeling of unease.

Doesn’t the perception of laziness stem from the dropping of letters? It’s just like the dropped "g"s in Redneck-talk, and dropped "h"s in Chav and other British equivalents to yokels.

I speak in a very formal register, little different from the way I write. I dislike AAVE, and often cannot understand it. This caused problems at my last job. I feel the same way about Redneck, but worst of all is Bimbo Voice. I have asked girls on the bus if they can get through a sentence without saying “like.”

Isn’t it true that in Idiocracy**, the English language has degenerated into Ebonics, Redneck, and Valley Girl?

Yes, but there are plenty of legitimate English dialects you’d probably have a great deal of trouble understanding (as mentioned upthread Glasgow English often isn’t considered mutually intelligible with American English). There’s no legitimate objective reason to dismiss any dialect just because you can’t understand it unless the person code switches – even if it has some silly feature like “letter dropping” (which is a feature of almost every informal dialect).

Oh lawd, the white folks are discussing black English again. Always good for a laugh.

Classy! Is this before or after you start breathing on their hair?