Tesla’s literally do not need to be serviced aside from adding windshield wiper fluid and rotating the tires.
sorry if I appear insistent on that topic (hey it IS OnTopic)
… so they don’t have those pesky maintainance-booklets, which need to be rubberstamped, every 10.000km etc…
I assume they do not insist on rotating tires at a Tesla-facility…
There is brake maintenance, but since they are used a lot less than in an ICE, that maintenance is far less often.
Here are the maintenance service intervals for my Model Y:
- Brake fluid health check every 4 years (replace if necessary)*.
- A/C desiccant bag replacement every 4 years.
- Cabin air filter replacement every 2 years.
- HEPA filter replacement every 3 years.
- Clean and lubricate brake calipers every year or 12,500 miles (20,000 km) if in an area where roads are salted during winter.
- Rotate tires every 6,250 miles (10,000 km) or if tread depth difference is 2/32 in (1.5 mm) or greater, whichever comes first.
This is from https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-E95DAAD9-646E-4249-9930-B109ED7B1D91.html
And no, Tesla doesn’t have to do the tire rotations.
I don’t thinks any car sold in the US has that. In fact, if the dealer/automaker is trying to deny a warranty claim due to non-OEM parts or service they are required to prove the failure was related to that service.
You are very lucky, I think. We are at around $0.40 kWh off-peak. Last month’s bill was $123 for electricity.
Do you have a sense of how much a charge of, say, 50% to 100% charged, would cost you?
Yeah, my math may be faulty. I pay $.203 per kilowatt/hour. I get 2.3 miles per kwh. My RAV4 Prime gets 42 miles per gallon. What did I figure wrong?
That’s around 40 kWh so $4.00. With our winter driving conditions (worse than what we should expect once it warms up), we’ve been getting 3.2 miles to a kWh so that would be about 130 miles of range from that $4. Now that it is warming up, I am starting to see some better Wh/mile numbers.
It looks like three differences:
- Your electricity is twice as expensive as ours
- Your EV isn’t as efficient as our Model Y
- Your Rav4 gets way better mileage than our Subaru (25 MPG on average)
These numbers are going to be different for all, but for us, it is significantly less expensive per mile.
My price per kwh is supply + delivery. Offpeak supply is $.083/kwh.
But delivery adds another $.12/kwh.
We don’t have delivery charges. We do have a flat charge of $9/month to have electricity service (another flat $9/month if you have gas service) but I don’t include that because I would have that $9 charge without the EV. It hasn’t gone up due to the EV. If I did, it would add ~$0.02 to our per kWh charge for our average power usage. But again, I won’t since I pay it either way.
Sales of electric vehicles in Canada have been slowing, according to an article in the Financial Post:
The article goes on to indicate difficulties with repairs, lack of charging facilities, prices, and concerns with battery performance in cold weather.
We have now hit 3000 miles in our EV and it has cost approximately $140 to charge. That wouldn’t even get us 1000 miles in our Subaru.
The article is discussing purchase prices for the vehicle itself, which it reports is a barrier to market penetration, not the operating cost. Government subsidies for purchases are to be phased out in the next few years, which will likely exacerbate the issue.
I was giving an update on my experiences of the economics of EVs, not a rebutall on the article.
Sure, but purchase price is part of the economics of EVs.
OK but ICE cars arern’t given away for free. Nor are oil changes and other routine maintenance.
Not that the article doesn’t have merit. EVs are useless without proper infrastructure or the ability to charge at home (or work in some cases). Cold weather is very much an issue for range but much less of one per capita in the US versus Canada. None of this is much of an issue on the West Coast and South West of the US.
True, but the article makes the point that the prices for EVs are considerably higher:
While charging is an issue, Karwel’s data suggests Canadians are more concerned about prices. On average, an EV costs about $15,000 more than a gas-powered car before any government incentives are applied. This increases to $20,000 if customers compare “apples to apples” and look to buy specific EV versions of their existing gas-powered cars, he said.
And, according to Consumer Reports, maintenance costs for EVs may also be higher:
EV owners reported 79 per cent more problems with their powertrains over the past three years than owners of gas-powered vehicles, according to Consumer Reports’ latest annual car reliability survey.
“before government incentives” and “look to buy specific EV versions of existing” are pretty huge caveats. It’s not Canada but I got $7500 from the Feds and $1000 from the City for a Tesla which made the price of the vehicle comperable to an equivalent car. To be fair different people will have different definitions of equivalent. As has been noted, there are claims that traditional ICE manufacturers are pricing such that people are steered towards the ICE version because they will give them more service dollars.
There are nearly twice as many issues with the powertrain. OK, is that twice as many as a large number or a very small one? That’s just the powertrain. What about the engine and the transmission? Can you see how that is a silly comparison? What is the overall percentage of problems with each type car generally for everything?
We also need to include the cost of regular maintenance like oil changes and other sevices.
Not trying to be snarky, but the operational costs are also part of the economics of EVs. If you don’t want me posting in this thread with my experiences, I can bow out.
In our particular case, the hybrid car we were considering was a bit less than the EV we ended up buying, but the PHEV alternative was quite a bit more (Rav4).
I’m sorry. I’m not trying to be snarky.