Effing Incompentent Professionals

(Really long. You can nod, smile and go read something else.)

In five decades of life in Northern California, I can’t remember a time that a medical professional - even Kaiser - was incompetent at managing their practice, to the point where it was noticeable or ever caused anyone in my family a hassle. I suppose there might have been a case or two, but I really can’t bring one to mind.

In the last four years in northeastern Connecticut, I can’t list a single professional that hasn’t had absolutely maddening inability to keep a schedule straight or deal well with clients in the waiting room or at the front desk. Every single one we’ve dealt with here has been a Marx-brothers level fuckup in this regard, except that it’s not funny.

For a generally healthy family, we seem to be at a peak of needing varied professional services, so we have allergists, orthodontists, dentists, regular doctors, specialist doctors and a therapist or two. We are lucky, I suppose, in that most of them are very good at their service or specialty, especially as most have a main practice somewhere larger and have just one or two days out here in the woods.

But OMFG, are they thorny spiral pain-in-the-ass morons about patient relations. All of them. Continuously.

We are organized about this continuing schedule of five people and multiple providers, some of whom overlap. Master wall calendar, appointment cards kept in a box, phone/online calendars for most of us. Way too complicated to try and remember or keep jotted down somewhere.

And then every provider uses the “nag you to death” reminder systems, to the point where the phone will ring at 7:00 and someone will say, “Oh, yeah, dentist appointment tomorrow.”

But… this doesn’t stop each visit from being a surprise party, where the receptionist looks at her screen in confusion and says, but but but, you’re not scheduled for today. We have you down for (random date usually about a month out, not even the same numeric date). Or they have one twin scheduled and the other one not at all, or on that random “other” date - and at least so far we’ve always gone to extra trouble to schedule them for routine things together.

Sometimes they just give us that “stupid patient” look and we just have to come back on the date they have on file… and hope it’s not another session of but but but. Sometimes, like today - WITH an appointment card that I checked when we got home AND written on the big calendar weeks ago AND after a reminder phone call last night… they find a way to squeeze us in. And tell us the appointment was for August something… which, on checking all the records, I can find no trace of.

This isn’t one practice, or one field. It’s ALL of them. It’s been continuous for four years, to the point where the Mrs, who has to drive to the city for some of her appointments, calls an hour ahead to make absolutely sure before she drives in… and gets but-but-butted about half the time.

I know what the problem is: it’s the morons in smocks behind the front glass. For all the fancy computers and scheduling programs and autoreminders and reward programs and squee and contests and shit, none of them can figure out that they can’t just move appointments around without letting anyone know. I’ve watched them do it. “Oh, Timmy absolutely has to be seen before the 20th? Hmm…” (click, drag, type, click some more, drag, type) “Okay, there we go. 10 am on the 19th!” …and three or four people are in for a but-but-butting.

These are not low-end providers. They have walls full of “Best Dentist” magazine covers, and that absolutely professional corporate slickness in every detail. Again, most are very competent or better at the actual service, once you get there. But one more fucking time I go to an appointment that is all but set in concrete from my perspective to get that heavily made up sad-face telling me it’s actually 2 weeks out on a day I never would have scheduled anything, and… fuuuuuucccckkkkk.

And then there’s the ones who shouldn’t be scheduling anyone, like the allergist who was always yelling at his staff about something, and at least once threw such a towering, raging fit that people were bundling up their kids and leaving. My size (pretty big) and stomping, roaring, slamming doors, storming out to his car, slamming back in, throwing a heavy catalog case at his staff, dumping it on the floor, leaving the mess… in context, one of the most terrifying moments in my adult life. I really wondered if he was going to go physical on someone, anyone, maybe me.

That office is kind of my poster child for this whole bitchfest. Not only was it one of six or seven offices in the service chain, but it was a dirty, fithly, cramped office at the end of the last long hall on the top floor of an aging building, very hard to get to for each regular visit (weekly allergy shots). Interior dec from about 1983. (That might seem irrelevant, but this was a high-profit, highly-patronized arm of the dominant allergy providers in the area. No reason at all not to have better facilities.)

I figure that it was the asshole of the chain, where they stuck their worst doctor and the staff they couldn’t fire. Oh, the staff… the ones he was yelling at. Five fat, stupid cows, and I am being descriptive, not insulting. 3-400 pounds each. Dumb as fucking rocks - ask them a question, like, “Is there a pen?” and get several seconds of bovine stare, followed by the slowest possible response of handing over a pen or pointing to the flowie-pen container. And of that incredibly nasty, you WILL kiss my fat ass tenderly stripe when it came to dealing with them.

F’rex, on the first visit we played what turned out to be the universal came of entering and standing in front of the glass window for several minutes while the cow slowly shuffled papers, typed a few things, addressed comments to her herd-mates, and finally - not after any obvious completion of a task or other obligation, opens the slider and says, “Yes?” I give a name. She slowly looks it up on her screen. “Okay.” Closes sliding window.

Every single person who comes in has to go through this process, and if you know how allergy clinics work, it’s mostly people coming in weekly for a shot-and-wait session. Routine. Damn near a subway turnstile. Same people week after week, year after year. But the cow has to get hers.

So on that first visit, we check in as above, and sit down in direct sight of her bovine gaze. After a half hour, I repeat the process, give the name and say, “We’ve been here since our appointment time…” Slow cow efforts. “We’re a little busy today.” Close sliding window. (Note: they were no busier then than I ever saw them in the next several months.)

An hour. I ask again, pointing out that we’re just there for shots. “Oh.” Long pause. Pull up nasty attitude. “Did you sign in on the door?” No, we had not signed in on the door to the shot clinic. Too long story not much shorter, we signed in, got the shots, waited the fainting period, and left, almost two hours after walking in.

Okay, so next visits my daughter goes over and signs in first thing while I wait out the cow at the front window. Since she never does anything but bestow her acknowledgement of my presence, I eventually stop doing this, and instead walk in and sit right where she can see me. Eventually, there’s a consequence for not kissing the cow’s ass: I see them get to my daughter’s name on the list. I hear the back room discussion of her. The front cow says something to all of them. The next name on the list is called. Fifteen minutes later, the cow calls me to the window, and chews me out for “not checking in.” She doesn’t seem to know or care that everyone in the small office could hear the discussion and it was easy to see that the wait had been a flat-out fuck-me for not genuflecting to the cow goddess.

Anyway, I don’t remember exactly what straw broke the camels’ back here, but we stopped going and I found another allergist who was almost as crazy but changed my daughter’s regimen to a more effective one and hasn’t, so far, thrown a towering temper tantrum. But we have had two scheduling fuckups out of three over the last year.

I really don’t know what the deal is. There’s a virus among professionals here that promotes the worst kind of staff incompetence and patient disregard. And I haven’t even gone into the dentist who can’t walk you down the hall without trying to upsell something… a routine cleaning is a 40-minute infomercial, every time.

And the orthodontist is the one with the absolutely horrible, ugly, inappropriate, graphic-arts Razzie-winning logo, which has spread to the back of work smocks… in sequins.

It’s gotten so I actually sigh with relief when I go to an appointment, get greeted with a smile, and am told the doctor will be right with me. So I can sit and listen to the giant flatscreen try to entertain or upsell me.

Did I mention the therapist so useless she should be home baking cookies?

Wow. I’m vacillating between sympathy, horror (on your behalf), gratitude for the staffs of the professionals who serve my family, and wondering when you’re going to scrap the entire set, sit down with some yelp reviews, and start over from scratch.

Vacillating can happen between more than two positions, right?

Most of these providers have great Yelp reviews. Well, not the allergist from hell, but that overall practice is highly rated. (The other offices were just too far to go on a weekly basis… the pit was over ten miles as it was.)

I’ve got another few thousand words in me about Nwingland business/consumer culture, from the perspective of an outsider. Not many of them are kind. The population here has low expectations, overweening pride in how great things are, and generally terrible service and business practices.

But then, it’s a state that just expanded the scope of sales tax a little tiny bit, moving some exempt businesses to the taxable lists, and the bitching about “businesses being taxed out of existence” is through the roof. Not really a very smart crowd, these Yankees.

I completely understand.

With one doctor, the straw that broke the camel’s back was a five-and-a-half hour wait. I had an appointment at noon, and I was there until 5:30 PM. I would have left, but I was at the doctor’s office because of a combo respiratory virus/asthma attack, and the alternative was the ER (no walk-in clinics then). The cows at the back skipped me intentionally, even letting “work-ins” go before I did.

Long, long waits were a constant problem in this doctor’s office. I tried to work around this by calling the office just before my appointment and asking if the doc was running on time. But the witches always said yes, even when he was two hours behind.

Anyway, after the 5 and a half hour wait, I’d had enough. In a fit of righteous indignation and corticosteroid-induced anger, I sent the doctor a bill for my time.

He called me and asked what was up, so I filled him in on the up-front situation.

At my next visit, things were clipping along much, much better.

Where did you move from, and in what town are you living in CT, if you don’t mind sharing?

Northern California (not the Bay Area) to the middle of the northeastern corner of CT.

We expected a drop in convenience for many things, a lot of which proved not to be true. But we didn’t expect a drastic falloff in medical-office competence, and for that problem to be endemic, not a few special cases.

I know a lot of people put up with shitty doctors and practices out of factors they can’t control - limited choice, lousy or no insurance, special needs - and I sympathize, having been there a few times in my life. But we’ve always had very good insurance and no limitations on finding providers, and most of these are the highly-rated ones.

You mentioned you had Kaiser in N Cal - do you still have HMO coverage?

No. Very very good major-employer PPO coverage, better than we had our last two or three years in business in CA.

In/out of network has nothing to do with our selection of providers, if that’s the underlying question. I don’t think there are any providers who don’t take the BC-based coverage we have.
We had Kaiser until about 2003. It was my option for most of my working-insured years, and I never had any problems with it. They did kinda-sorta kill my best friend, however.

Huh. Then I got nothin’ other than CT has craptastic employees!

AB, I hear you and sympathize 100%, and I’m speaking as a resident of the same general area (for most of my life, minus 8 years in the SF Bay Area for good behavior). Having traveled, lived & worked outside of CT/New England, I know firsthand that other states have managed to foster a customer service culture that isn’t steeped in petty, vindictive assholery at every turn. In fact, they do it with gusto and smiles and a pleasant attitude! Note to CT: it is humanly possible to do your job and not be a spiteful, bitter, lazy bitch about everything (yes, co-workers at CT’s Flagship University, this means you too!)!

I do not know why people in this area are so committed to being snide, lazy assholes, but I suspect a lot of these folks have never been anywhere to experience the relief and pleasure of good customer service. It is indeed a management issue - the change has to come from above. You probably know that CT is referred to as “the land of steady habits”…bad habits, hard to break.

I’ve made it a point in my office to train everyone to acknowledge people immediately, NEVER EVER EVER leave anyone hanging for an answer, always listen actively, if you don’t know the answer, you take their contact info and call them back with useful information as soon as you can get it.
Fat lot of good that will do you, since I’m not working in your MD’s office, but please know that some of us are making an effort to improve the experience in CT. I think that as people do experience a positive difference, the light will eventually dawn on them that everyone has the power to make someone’s day a little better - or at least not so aneurysm-inducingly toxic.

And that’s it, in a nutshell. Whenever I encounter this stubborn, short-sighted combination of “it’s good enough, except for the things that have gotten really, really terrible,” my first question, when I can ask it stealthily, is “Ever lived anywhere else?”

Nine times out of ten, the answer is yes. They used to live in the next town over.

Thanks, AmBarba!

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This makes me want to sigh and slide my glass window closed forever.

A true medical professional ought to be able to set a bone, birth a baby, poultice with dung, bleed with leeches, balance the humours, amputate on the battlefield, trepan a skull and cure the pox; specialisation is for insects. And, uh, specialists.

You misspelled incompetent in the title. Aren’t you a professional publisher or something?

That’s professinal.

It depends on the time of day. At 11:52 this morning, I was professionally pissed off. :smiley:

I had a Kaiser ER nurse threaten to have me arrested because she couldn’t be bothered to let me know what was going on with my father’s care. My father was having respiratory problems, and my 80-year-old mother was beside herself and by my father’s side, but neither of them was particularly competent enough to deal with the medical staff, so I was trying to do it. The ER nurse told me that I could not get any information because I wasn’t authorized, so I went into the room where they had my father, and asked him to tell them that I was authorized, and she at that point told me that I couldn’t be there because only one person was allowed to be in an ER room at a time. This while all of the other rooms were filled with families and little kids yelling and screaming.

I went looking for an ombudsman, but it was Friday evening and the ombudsman’s office was closed until Monday morning. I did call them first thing Monday morning, and the next time my father was admitted to the ER, that particular nurse was no longer working there (I asked).

They became doctors because they were good at healing sick people. Not because they know how to run an office. Most of the time, they don’t even know how badly their office is run. So tell them. Eventually, it comes down to you as a patient deciding Is the quality of medical service to you good enough to make up for the poor customer service?

Meanwhile, there are some ways to deal with this level of customer ‘service’:

Don’t ever co that – bring the card with you, and shove that written evidence in their face. And “come back…” – absolutely not! We’re here at the date & time appointed, and we’re not leaving without seeing the doctor.

That’s a mistake. Wait 30 seconds maximum, then start banging on the glass, or slide it open and start calling out. If you can call out loud enough for the doctor to hear back in the exam room, so much the better. Or just go to the door leading into the exam area (they mostly aren’t locked), go inside, and wander around until you find someone to assist you.

That is the solution. But be sure you tell the doctor (personally, not tell the staff) why you stopped using him.

Those all have off buttons. Just stand up and shut them off. Unplug them if needed.

Remember that you are the customer here – the one paying the bill.
Doing this may get you labeled as a troublemaking patient. But they will also make efforts to get your appointments right, etc., just to prevent you from making more trouble this time. If the moroms in smocks dislike you, so what? You’re not there to see them.

This. I’ve done most of these things over the decades that I’ve been going to GPs, specialists, dentists and vets. I really couldn’t give a hang about what the front office staff thinks of me if they are being rude or willfully stupid. And don’t lie to me either. I never raise my voice or make serious threats, I just inform them that I’m leaving if I’ve been waiting too long after my appt, or that it is their mistake that makes them think I’m there on the wrong day or time. I’m the one giving the dr money, you staff are costing him money - who do you think he’s going to side with if I have proof that you all are idiot assholes?