ABQ is a 32 hour ride, or three days, with an hour to spare under 11 hr/day rules. Adding in even just 40 mins to charge each day means an extra overnight to make it to the destination. It’s not that they make it 30 mins later, it’s that they make it a whole day later. What’s so hard to understand…unless you’ve been doing meth for the past 36 hrs?
You do realize that they wouldn’t be driving while the truck is charging, so it doesn’t count toward the 11 hours, right?
Time spent loading/unloading/waiting to load/unload or refueling/charging counts against the 14.
For a long-haul truck, it’s possible that the model they use is to swap out the entire tractor when the battery capacity is low. (The important stuff is in the trailer.)
But I think I’ve heard that some interest from companies like UPS or USPS is for intra-city delivery trucks, like those big brown or white trucks that drop off packages at your home or office.
Once again, who is saying that electric trucks are going to be doing these routes? I mean, your refusal to listen to any of the counterpoints made is just devolving this thread into you attacking strawmen.
Not doing meth and confused.
A driver drives about 5 1/2 hours (360 to 400 miles on gas, electric, either way). With the electric vehicle stops, plugs in, goes in and has a meal, half an hour to refuel the roughly 400 miles, about the same as a meal break driving. Okay maybe a longer break because the meal may take longer, but not because charging added any time. Drives another 5 1/2 hours. Plugs in for the night, eats, and sleeps. 11 hours driving, half an hour not driving 2 1/2 hours to spare that could be extra short stops along the way.
No extra time spent.
The IF is if the charging stops are well located and open to plug in to, but even with an extra stop because of locations and a wait to charge of half an hour, well within the 11 hour driving 14 hour total shift measure.
For the period of time it is less autonomous vehicles doing the long haul.
I’d just like to re-visit point #1 of my original post, and perhaps add to it a bit:
- A variant on "I need a vehicle to do “X”. EV’s do not do “X”. Therefore EV’s are stupid and will never catch on.
“X” may be “I commute 350km each and every day to work”
or “I have to haul 1000kg of hay”
I would like to add: Or: If you are driving a transport truck, and ABQ is a 32 hour ride, or three days, with an hour to spare under 11 hr/day rules. Adding in even just 40 mins to charge each day would make your trip a whole extra day longer. Therefore, EV’s are stupid and trucking companies will never use them."
(even though trucking companies are already planning on using EV transport trucks)
Right, but Spiderman is arguing that you can’t even get 40 minutes of charging during an 11-hour day. There are three hours available each day for non-driving activities, including charging.
I never said that. What I said is that to think we’re going to ban non-EVs from cities in 10 years when only 20% of then new vehicles are EVs & entire segments of vehicles don’t even exist today nor have been announced is laughable. There’s no way in Hell we’re going to ban 90+% of vehicles.
It will happen in multiple city centers, in much less than 10 years. You seem to think that cities will back off when they realize how few EVs there are. But cities don’t care if 90% of vehicles will be banned; that’s the main goal.
I think it’s more likely that big cities will impose substantial tolls for cars in downtown areas. It seems plausible that EVs could have reduced fees.
In DC, we had a mayor recently whose policy was to make things hard for drivers, because of all the problems that car traffic creates: accidents, parking shortages, pollution, traffic, etc. Nobody liked that policy but dammit it is correct.
Also, the regulations don’t seem to actually say anything about charging at the moment. They only talk about “fueling”. There’s no reason they can’t clarify or tweak the regulations to account for electric vehicles. There’s also no reason why a vehicle that’s simply plugged in should count for on-duty hours if the driver is doing something else entirely (like sleeping).
In fact, if this page is to be believed, charging time may already count as off-duty. It summarizes the rule as: if you need to be there, you are considered on duty.
Well, you definitely don’t need to be there while charging. Unlike conventional fueling, you can safely just walk away.
(Careful observers will note that I have committed the fallacy of denying the antecedent. So sue me.)
I really wish you’d stop saying this. “Never” is a long time. It’s an absolutism. It is not how people think. Maybe there is somebody who thinks EV’s will fall off the edge of the Earth because of electro-magnetic dis-modulation. But pretty much everybody sees them as the next generation of vehicles that already fit the needs of part of the population.
The argument right now, against owning an EV as the only car driven, is one of convenience. Technically, you CAN drive from major city to major city via major highways and find a charging station. It means an additional wait-time to charge things up to full. In my area the fast charging stations are few and far between. Technically it’s doable but at a cost of time and convenience.
So for those want to pay extra for a vehicle and live within it’s constraints there is a reward for cheaper fuel and the ability to fuel your vehicle at home in a garage (if you have one).
Again the false narrative of EVs being more expensive. The Model 3, which is by far the best selling EV in the US, is very similarly priced to other entry level luxury cars. The Model 3 Performance is considerably cheaper than anything else with similar levels of performance.
I can buy a hybrid Lincoln in the mid 40’s. a Zippy CTS in the 50’s. The model S starts at 70. The model 3 is supposed to start at 35 but I don’t think anyone has purchased one for that.
I’m not seeing the price advantage.
When I look at American luxury cars I see dealerships with repair facilities. they are almost non-existent in my state for Tesla cars.
Exactly. The CTS two wheel drive starts at about $45,000, and the Model 3 two wheel drive starts at $40,000. The CTS AWD starts around $46,000 and the Model 3 AWD starts around $49,000. That is very similar pricing. The CTS V-sport starts at $63,000, and the Model 3 Performance at $57,000. The CTS V-sport is 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds. My regular Model 3 AWD will beat that, and the Performance will do it in 3.2 seconds. GM will probably give a breaks on those prices, and Colorado will give me $4,000 off an EV.
Yes, 0-60 is not the only performance number in existence, and I’m not going to bother doing a feature by feature comparison of the cars. The CTS is somewhat larger on the outside, but the passenger volume is identical between the CTS and Model 3.
The Model 3 is not any more expensive than other cars in its class. I know you don’t want one, that’s fine, don’t buy one. This whole thread is based on the idea that EV detractors spread disinformation. Stop doing that.
It’s not so much the fact that I don’t want a Model 3, I just don’t see it as comparable to a CTS. As an EV it doesn’t have the charging infrastructure that supports a CTS. As a Tesla it doesn’t have the service infrastructure of a CTS. In short, it’s a rich man’s toy until it can compete on those levels. That’s the reality of it.
If you want to talk about disinformation then start with the promises made by Musk. Because of this flim-flam artist people were willing to wait a year for a car they never drove for the privilege of waiting months if it needed repair. Some of them were unfortunate enough to believe that a car sold with “Autopilot” could drive itself.
If you think a Model 3 is comparable to a CTS that’s your opinion.
That’s some NFL field crew-level moving of the goalposts:
Cadillacs have a price advantage over Tesla! Oh wait, they don’t? Well, repair places for POS overpriced boring GM cars are everywhere!
It’s a popular one. In the US in 2019 Tesla sold as many Model 3s as GM sold Cadillacs.*
*Tesla only releases global numbers, but estimated Model 3 sales in the US was, 158,925. Global numbers were 300,815. Cadillac sold 156,249 vehicles in the US in 2019. I didn’t see global numbers for Cadillac, but by July, they’d sold a bit less than 200,000 vehicles globally in 2019.
EV’s don’t need near amount the of routine service that an ICE does. They can also get updates over the air so there’s much less need to go to a dealer service department.
I’m not at all a fanboi but why is he a flim-flam artist? He promised a car & then delivered. People who made deposits knew they weren’t getting a car the next day. Did he promise many more dealerships/repair facilities for when they need service/warranty work/recalls?
The S was out of price range for many/most people. The 3 changed that & brought a decent-range EV to much more of the masses. Personally, I wouldn’t buy a totally new model, especially from such a young company before it existed, & as I remember they had some early fit problems but they didn’t have a rep of rust in the showroom, either.