Electricity

All I personally know and understand about electricity is a) you can’t see it, and b) it can kill you.

What I really do not understand is the fact that some people can get hit will gazillions of volts from a lightning strike and survive …yet others can die (or at least receive serious burns ) from a much much lower voltage. An example was a friend many years ago was extracting a small 8 volt battery from a classic car and the spanner touched the top of the battery and his metal watch strap at the same time and caused the strap to literally melt to his wrist with the ensuing 3rd degree burn and associated intense pain.

If a paltry 8 volts cause so much damage…then surely tens of thousands should immediately cause instant “cinderisation” and death in all cases…shouldn’t it?

Someone once tried to explain the mix of volts and watts to me as the crucial issue …but completely lost me half way through the first sentence

Can anyone enlighten me without too many big words?

Basically voltage is like water pressure and amperage is like the volume of water flowing through the pipe. A very high pressure pushing a little bit of water doesn’t do much. Similarly a high voltage with a small current does no harm. On the other hand a large amount of water with a small pressure can still overwhelm and drown you. Similarly sufficient current can be lethal.

To extend the analogy. It is water in the lungs that will drown you while you can be immersed in much more water with no harm. Similarly it is where the current is that matters.

A static shock is over 1000 volts. It can sting but is hardly dangerous to you. On the other hand a current of less than a tenth of an amp to the heart is lethal. (And I may mean 1/100 of an amp I forget which).

And just to bring that excellent explanation back to the original examples in the question, a car battery, though it has a relatively low voltage, can put out a lot of current (amps)*; on the other hand, a lightning strike, although it involves very high voltage, carries relatively little current. Nevertheless, most lightning strikes on people are sufficiently powerful to cause death or quite severe injury.

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*Most other types of batteries in common use by regular people do not put out all that high a current, even though they may provide a voltage comparable to, or occasionally even higher than, a car battery does. Thus they are much less dangerous.

From Lightning - Wikipedia

I wouldn’t call 30k amps “relatively little current”.

From Lightning strike - Wikipedia

Usually with electricity, it has to pass through your heart to kill you. Your muscles are basically controlled by an electric current (OK, not exactly, but not too far off either), and so sending a current through them will cause them to spasm. Happens in your hand, can’t control what you’re holding. Happens in your heart, can’t pump blood.

There’s a great demo, which everyone thinks is crazy dangerous, but really isn’t if you’re not a dumbass (we did it in high school, not sure I’d trust an elementary school kid with it). You take a fishtank, fill it up with water, and run the 120 V ac from an outlet to a copper plate at each end of the tank. So you’ve got a potential of 120 V over about a meter, and it scales with distance. Stand on a rubber mat, so you won’t create a connection to ground. Stick in two fingers (on the same hand!), and spread them apart. Feel yourself lose control of your fingers as you do so. Think about what that feels like, and be glad it’s your hand doing that, not your heart. Don’t stick in both hands, because then it will be your heart.

Now, with lightning there’s enough power that it can also burn you, which is a secondary danger. Lightning is way overkill in the “sufficient to kill you” category. However, as you pointed out, some people do survive. The lightning won’t necessarily dissipate all of it’s energy into you when it strikes. If you’re “lucky”, the current will mostly flow near the skin, not through your heart. Not everyone “struck by lightning” is hit on the head by a direct bolt: maybe it hits the ground next to you, or hits a tree and only a (relatively) little bit jumps to you. Still, I wouldn’t play golf in a storm.

No argument with your basic explanation, but the manufacturers and users of water jet cutting machines might beg to differ with the above statement. :slight_smile: A tiny jet of water through a microscopic orifice at 100,000 psi can cut through a plate of stainless steel or a block of marble.

But I think the lesson here is that even good analogies are imperfect and only take you so far. Electricity isn’t water. True, in the same way that a high pressure water jet can penetrate steel, electric potential at high voltage can break down large amounts of insulation, but unlike the water jet, high voltage at very low amperage tends to be harmless. This is why you can scrape your feet across a carpet on a dry day and produce a visible spark against a doorknob without danger.

I suppose another point is that power, broadly speaking, is the product of those two factors, so they are intimately related with respect to what level is “safe”.

Electricity tends to kill you in one of two ways.

The first way is that it screws up your heartbeat, and for this it does generally have to pass through your heart. If you hit the heart with a jolt of electricity, it can get its rhythm all screwed up and it goes into what is called “fibrillation”. Instead of beating in a nice normal rhythm, it just kinda sits there and shakes somewhat chaotically. The human heart has kind of a funny design where thef fibrillation state is stable. In other words, if you can get the heart into fibrillation, it will stay in fibrillation and won’t come out of it on its own. Since it is not effectively pumping blood, you pass out fairly quickly and die soon after that from the lack of blood flow.

It takes a surprisingly small amount of current to potentially screw up your heartbeat. Most safety standards (in the U.S. at least) are built around 5 mA (0.005 amps) being the “safe” amount of current. Below that, the danger of fibrillation is so small that it’s not worth worrying about. By the time you get up to 100 mA or so (0.1 amps) the chance of putting the heart into fibrillation are pretty good. The thing is though that this is all rather hit and miss, so there’s an awful lot of luck involved. The way our heart is designed, it is much more sensitive to being thrown out of whack at certain parts of its rhythm than others, so if you get an electric shock at one of those points in the heartbeat it is much more likely to go into fibrillation. At other points during its heartbeat cycle it is much less sensitive to disruption, and much less likely to go into fibrillation.

At first, the more you increase the current, the more likely you are to go into fibrillation and die. But then a funny thing happens. Once you get enough current, the heart muscles all just clamp instead of going into fibrillation. At that point the heart still isn’t pumping blood, so if you don’t end up being separated somehow from the source of the electricity you’ll still die. However, if the source of current is removed, the heart will usually go back into a normal rhythm.

But then as you increase the current more, the heat generated by the electricity flowing through you starts to cause burn damage, and the fatality rate starts to climb again. This is the second way that electricity tends to kill you. It literally cooks you to death. This requires much more current, but it’s much less hit and miss. It also doesn’t necessarily require the current to go through the heart.

When you do something like drop a hair dryer into the bathtub, the most likely cause of death will be fibrillation. The electric chair and lightning both tend to kill you by cooking you to death. Lightning is very hit and miss simply because the voltage and current are both so incredibly high that it behaves in very weird ways. At those extreme voltages, things that aren’t normally considered to be electrically conductive (like, say, a few miles of open air) all of a sudden become conductive paths for lightning. So there’s no telling what path the lightning will take as it goes through you. It may fry your internal organs and kill you. It may travel more along the surface of your body and just cause you some severe burn damage to some of your muscles. If the bolt splits and only a tiny fraction of it goes through you, then you may end up rather shaken from the whole experience, but no real harm done.

As was already mentioned upthread, lightning can kill you in other ways, too. If lightning hits the ground nearby, you may have a few million volts where the lightning hit and zero volts on the other side of you (earth potential), with the voltage kinda spreading out away from where the bolt hit. This means that you could have a few thousand volts difference between one foot and the other, causing the electricity to travel up through one leg and down through the other. Lightning contains a tremendous amount of energy, and that energy can do things like boil the sap inside of a tree, causing the tree to literally explode. You can be killed by fragments from the tree or falling tree parts if the tree comes completely apart.

The human body’s “resistance” to electricity is not a simple thing. At relatively low voltages, like that of a car battery, the body’s resistance is pretty high. A multimeter, which uses a very low voltage to measure resistance, will often read several hundred thousand ohms or higher. At higher voltages, the human body’s resistance drops down to maybe a thousand ohms.

What this all means is that lower voltages are generally not harmful to people because they can’t overcome skin resistance. You can touch both terminals of a battery and you won’t get shocked. Once you get above 50 volts or so though that’s no longer true. As the OP noted though, you still have to be careful with batteries that have a large current capacity (like a car battery) as accidentally shorting the battery with something that is conductive, like a wrench, can cause a huge amount of current to flow. Not only can the wrench overheat and melt, but the electrolyte can overheat and boil, causing the battery to explode. Having a battery blow up in your face is no fun.

When I was a boy at boarding school, I saw my first ever dead person.

A fully qualified electrician was working on a ceiling light in a store room. To reach the light, he used a handy chair to stand on. He removed the bulb and stuck his finger in the socket to test if the circuit was live and it killed him.

At the inquest it was stated that testing for a live circuit was often done like this by professionals, and normally resulted in nothing more than a mild (240 volt) shock. On this occasion, the man was standing on a steel framed chair on a damp concrete floor. The reason he died was because he was holding the steel back of the chair (nicely earthed) with one hand, while he prodded the socket with the other. The current ran through his heart and killed him.

Thanks for that very informative post, **engineer comp geek, ** and everyone who posted. This is an interesting thread- I work around some unusual electrical equipment and occasionally get hit by small lightning bolts (one to two feet long). Lots of voltage but no current. It tingles a bit when they get you! Hazards of the job; everyone here gets hit eventually.

I’ve known a few electricians who do this, and always considered it to be arrogant and stupid. You may not have a problem in hundreds of instances, but it only takes once to kill you. That’s why they make voltage testers.

“There are old electricians, and bold electricians, but no old bold electricians.” :smiley:

Sage wisdom from my high school electronics shop class teacher. 35 years ago. Along with “when working with an energized circuit, keep your off-hand in your back pants pocket, not floating around the work area. The heart you save may be your own.”

In instrumentation class in undergrad school I was told 25mA through your heart would kill you. Twenty five thousandths of an Ampere.