My thought was that if Elizabeth Warren becomes President and is assassinated, Ted Kennedy Jr. could head up the investigating committee.
It marks the first time Republicans have been concerned about Native American feelings in probably centuries…
Many Native American activists are contemptuous of “white people” who proudly proclaim some Cherokee heritage. Kind of like civil rights activists of the 60’s disdain for luke-warm “liberals”. Problem is compounded by the fact that Cherokee blood is so intermingled, especially in such places as Oklahoma, Texas and Arkansas, and the paucity of documentation.
In my native Texas, Scots-Irish/Cherokee as a heritage lies thick upon the ground, it is almost synonymous with “peckerwood”.
We’ve already had peckerwood Presidents.
What is your reason for thinking she lied about that? :dubious:
We’ve covered this a hundred times, but there are the Cliff’s notes:
Before working at Harvard she started listing herself on a directory of minority professors that universities such as Harvard use to find recruits.
She has no evidence to back up her claim, except “family lore”.
She was hired by Harvard at a time when they were under intense pressure to hire more minority staff.
Harvard admits they were hiring people preferentially based on race and gender at this time.
Harvard won’t admit that they hired her because she was Native American, but they don’t ever name anyone who is hired based on race so this is meaningless.
She was touted by Harvard after being hired as a “woman of color” and they counted her as a minority in their stats.
She never has been involved in Native American issues or causes in any way and has no ties to the Native American community.
She stopped listing herself on the minority directory right after she attained tenure.
Those are all facts. They’ve been pawed over in various threads, so you can look them up if you want the background info.
My opinion based on those facts is:
She took advantage of the system and used affirmative action to get herself a desirable position that she wouldn’t have got otherwise.
Family lore is good enough.
All of those things you listed as suspicious would not be so if you accept the premise. Your problem, and part of the bigger problem conservatives have with minorities, is that you refuse to ascribe accomplishments to minorities that isn’t influenced by affirmative action
Imagine this scenario: Warren’s family lore says they are part Cherokee. She didn’t know it before, but begins to count herself partly as a minority for accuracy’s sake. Harvard hires a qualified Warren to her position, she excels and later attains the positions she attained. She tries not to let her ancestry affect her positions, so is neutral on Native American issues. That doesn’t make her less of a Cherokee.
Later, after she gets tenure, she removes herself from the list willingly so that Harvard would be pushed to hire other minorities. She’s “made it”, so she wants to give that opportunity back.
None of these things would contradict the information we know about her. Conservatives simply choose to believe in the one that involves a grand Indian conspiracy. I, however, will always think of Senator Warren as the highest Native American office holder. She is a great fighter against the big banks for the common man and would make a terrific president that would swing the pendulum towards the left
Conservatives don’t let us bring up Ayn Rand being a Social Security using welfare queen so I won’t give them any points for Elizabeth Warren’s affirmitive action.
Well she needed the help, a meth habit was much more expensive in her day.
The condition is incurable, but manageable. For the most part.
Anyway, wasn’t so much talking about Lizzy in particular, just outlining a common fact. In her native Oklahoma, there was nothing unusual about a “white” person having some Cherokee heritage. She would not have been much surprised to hear family lore to that effect, it was ordinary.
Now, that is not to say there weren’t people with Cherokee blood who would deny it. Mostly Methodists with an ambition to become Episcopalians.
Not one word of which refutes anything she said about her heritage, as you *may *have overlooked. But Howie Carr never pointed that out to you, did he?
Your claim, as a fact :rolleyes:, that she was lying is based on nothing more than a thin, contemptible chain of insinuation, and not even an original one at that. To hold it together, you are including accusations that Harvard was lying too, and with even less basis for *that *statement.
You ought to know better.
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The only Native American vice president was a Republican.
Exactly! And since when does anybody give a shit about the Vice President’s feelings?
I’m not sure who this Fauxcahontas person is, but I’ll bet Elizabeth Warren could beat her in a presidential election.
Okay…in 80 years, then.
I did not know that! Thank you.
Well, the only Muslim President was a Democrat!
Seriously DUDE!!!:rolleyes:
The church I grew up in was called “A.M.E.” for African Methodist Episcopalian, you can’t be both? 
(I never really knew what they meant but I’m no longer Christian either).
Taking off on an old bit of down home snark…A Methodist is a Baptist with shoes, and an Episcopalian is a Methodist with money.