Email from a Student

In response to the OP: That email message, indeed, is absolutely horrible in terms of grammar and (lack of) formality. A message with nothing but a nice, wet “Fuck you, asshole” would not be any more offensive to me.

If anyone regardless of his/her relationship to me sent such a message to me, then s/he would hear about it from me (in a nice, but also firm manner).

My father was an accounting professor for 20+ years until last spring. This thread reminds me of a time about 3-4 years ago when he received an phone call at home from a student during evening hours. The urgent matter was the definition of “raze,” a word used in the phrasing of a homework problem.

Being ignorant of a word’s definition is not a terrible sin, but (as a college student myself) it seems that calling a professor at his home late in the evening to find out the definition would be going beyond my last resort.

In response to the OP: That email message, indeed, is absolutely horrible in terms of grammar and (lack of) formality. A message with nothing but a nice, wet “Fuck you, asshole” would not be any more offensive to me.

If anyone regardless of his/her relationship to me sent such a message to me, then s/he would hear about it from me (in a nice, but also firm manner).

My father was an accounting professor for 20+ years until last spring. This thread reminds me of a time about 3-4 years ago when he received an phone call at home from a student during evening hours. The urgent matter was the definition of “raze,” a word used in the phrasing of a homework problem.

Being ignorant of a word’s definition is not a terrible sin, but (as a college student myself) it seems that calling a professor at his home late in the evening to find out the definition would be going beyond my last resort.

I’m currently in an undergrad program 20 years after I graduated from my first one, and it’s a real eye-opener.

On one hand, I’m an undergrad, and the profs expect me to defer to them like any other undergrad. On the other, with 20 years of experience as a practicing engineer, I am also a colleague of sorts (and I find it funny that I make more money than most of the faculty members). I also happen to default to Dr. xxxx and Professor yyyy, and I’m always dumbfounded when we BS socially, and they remark how much more polite and prepared I am compared to the other students.

The run-of-the-mill college undergrad amazes me. I’ve forgotten more calculus than they’ve learned, but you should hear them whine when they have to integrate anything tougher than x dx. I swear, 80% of those who went to engineering school straight from high school can’t write worth a damn, do basic calculus, but can they ever spout the current hippy-dippy liberal groupthink. It really scares me, because I may have to hire a couple of these rocket scientists someday.

A suitably chilly e-mail reply, outlining the nature of the problem, is a good response. Your wife should avoid the informality issue–it will appear to detract from her professionalism

It’s even more horrifying to receive a short, 8-page research paper from a student written in a similar fashion, ignoring punctuation, grammar, and capital letters.

“let me no”? :rolleyes:

Regarding the e-mail your wife received: Un. Fucking. Believable. God help us.

I stand here, embarrassed of my generation. It appears my peers have taken leave of their senses. While I admit that I cannot spell, I do possess a proper command of syntax and punctuation. That message would be OK between two friends. But to send that to a professor… whoa. I was always told that college was preparation for the real world, where I now find myself. If that is the case, then this in-duah-vidual is in serious peril.

I stand here, embarrassed of my generation. It appears my peers have taken leave of their senses. While I admit that I cannot spell, I do possess a proper command of syntax and punctuation. That message would be OK between two friends. But to send that to a professor… whoa. I was always told that college was preparation for the real world, where I now find myself. If that is the case, then this in-duah-vidual is in serious peril.

I was an engineering student not very long ago, and I got used to addressing professors as they requested. If they wanted to be called Dr. So-and-so, that’s what I called them. If they wanted to be called First-name, that’s what I called them. It seemed to me to be a matter of respecting a person’s wishes, and not that big a deal to address them in the manner they most preferred.

Fast-forward to the present day and I work in a place where my wishes as to what I’d prefer to be called (anything more respectful than ‘Hey, Asshole!’) are completely ignored. Not, mind you, by those whose educations I have some responsibility for. They address me as I see fit, and that’s the way I like it.

The people who see red in my being addressed by first name: administration. They consider it to be a major offense, unprofessional, to address me as anything less formal than Ms. Last-name. I can honestly say that being addressed as Ms. Last-name grates on my nerves. The sound of it, to me, is equivalent to that of long acrylic nails running across a chalkboard.

Does this matter to those in the carpeted offices? Of course not. To them, being professional isn’t about having good rapport and making sure the students actually learn something; it’s about titles and punctuation.

That being said, I’ve gotten rather casual e-mail from students. They send me jokes and other such things and I don’t mind it at all. I rather like it. However, I’d probably be horrified if I got an e-mail like the one in the OP. I like to be able to read what someone else is saying in an e-mail, and let’s face it, punctuation matters.

Sorry for the major tangent, but I’m trying to deal with how to get ‘administration’ to understand that my wishes are to be treated like a human being by my students instead of some kind of cold, impersonal dispenser of information.

Just what the hell is wrong with calling me First-name instead of Ms. Last-name if that’s the manner of address I prefer?

I don’t IM with my friends like that. And in IM I do throw all sorts of English rules out the window, and my spelling is shabby by any definition.

I think of IM like spoken conversation, only with more abbreviations.

I would never think of e-mailing one of my friends in that manner. Much less a professor. (I will actually spell check e-mails to profs.) I e-mail my friends with about the same rigor as I post here. I e-mail profs like I am writing for them. Wow.

Oh and vunderbob, don’t hire them, hire me! jumps up and down and waves I’m currently a Chem E undergrad also majoring in Philosophy. I can use English and Excel!

Cool! Several engineering types have popped into this thread. Hire me, too, vunderbob. I’m an undergrad in materials engineering (sometimes aka metallurgical eng., but that’s a bit of an old fashioned term since Mat Es work in development of plastics, fiber optics, nano-technology, etc. these days).

My prospective field is somewhat specialized, but HEY! at least I like to integrate even the tough intergrals!

From my experiences with other undergrads, it seems that some students really are not cut out to do engineering but a handful are truly brilliant and motivated.

Note about the user name: I’m not an architect or architecture student as the name may suggest. I work for an arch firm during breaks from school doing drafting and occasional errands. Here at school I work as a research assistant to a couple profs in engineering.

I’m sorry about the double post earlier…I’m not sure how it happened.

I’d give you guys a look, Medea and Architect, but my site only uses MEs (the egotists of the engineereing world) and EE/CompEs. And currently, we’re nott hiring anyone.

E-mail me off the board, and I may be able to give you a pointer or two.

Wowie.
I teach English to college students too, but not one of their email messages has ever been *that * bad! Holy chocolate cow.
I did get a rather amusing one in the summer from a former student, saying something along these lines: “Hi Ms. Viva, it’s so-and-so from your spring semester blah-blah class. I was wondering if you’d want to go out some time. here is my phone #: xxx-xxx-xxxx.”
It was rather nice of him, but I declined. :wink:

Students…Sigh.

I’m like, almost 10 tears younger then him and MY writing, though not that good, isn’t as bad as his.

And who says “peace” anymore?

Slightly off-topic, but whenever someone sends me a message like that (on Mirc or what have you) I refuse to answer. I tell them I don’t understand their rendering of the english language. I refuse to communicate with them unless they’re typing in standard english. Some shortforms have become the norm, but I absolutely can’t stand 'net slang and poor spelling and grammar. I won’t have any part of it.

Several of my professors said it was OK to call them by their first names, but I could never quite get used to it. One of those professors is still a friend of mine–and 8 years later, I have to remember to call her by her first name, because I always think of her as X. Because, of course, while we addressed professors by their titles, we spoke of them by their last names.

Yes, that was pretty pointless.

Man.

Just… oh man.

I don’t understand either. I’m one of the many students on this board, I talk regularly over IM, and I thought the unwritten law around here was “Don’t make yourself look stupid in front of a professor.”

At least your wife can say that she’s really got her work cut out for her. I wonder what the guy’s papers look like too.

Geez. I can’t even bring myself to type like that in Instant Messaging. All my friends laugh at me because I feel the need to keep all the normal grammar rules in IM, no matter what. Luckily, I can still type faster than most of them, even when the use abbreviations, so it doesn’t slow down the conversation any.

But and e-mail? To a PROFESSOR?! That’s just inexcusable. That guy should be beaten with dictionaries until he passes out, and then force-fed shredded thesaurus entries when he wakes up.

I find it simply fascinating that you accuse ME’s of being the “egotists of the (sic) engineereing world”. Want to explain that one a little for the audience?

What sort of dumbshit college are you recruiting from that has 80% of the engineering students “unable to write worth a damn” and whining at integrating “anything tougher than x dx”? The University of Assboink?

I find engineers in general to be somewhat smarter and more well-rounded candidates than most graduates, even though they have to concentrate so much on their specific field. Why? Simple - because engineering is difficult for most, and in general only smart people do well at it.

And liberal? Jesus Christ - about 95% of the engineers I interview, and hire, I would describe as being “to the Right of Ronald Reagan” in their political views.

Most strange and curious indeed…

Una, P.E., one of those “egotist” ME’s…

Jesus…just Jesus…

Oh, and speaking of grammar. Something like this happened on another board, only someone was posting a topic and others complained about his bad grammar. This was his reply(I am NOT lying, I’m not THAT good a liar):

“well have I used thoughs …no so get off it, it dosen’t matter how I type it makes me stand out at least I can be original enough to want to stand out . rather to conform to the norm and want to fit in with everyone else so just don’t judge me I am me and that’s all I can be so if you don’t like it don’t talk to me.”