emoticons

Been thinking about emoticons lately. I resisted them for the longest time, scorning them as the trivial insertions of giggly pre-teens with their “thanks for the cell, mom” texting. Or they were the refuge of the people who learned how to write through AIM, inserting them in their writing like another manifestation of “LOL!” I thought that if you couldn’t communicate well enough in writing to get your point across, a little happy face sure as hell wasn’t going to help you.

A bit ago however, I realized that because the internet spawned a more conversational style of writing, the nature of what we were trying to communicate through our writing had changed. In a story, you’re looking to convey emotions by how you setup your characters, the interactions they have, their thoughts, the points you make about what’s going on in your story, etc. A little ball sticking its tongue out at you isn’t necessary when you have the entire scene for reference.

When a character in a book delivers a bit of acerbic wit, you have a frame of reference to rely on to judge what his attitude at the time of that line was. You have his set of actions throughout the book, often his thought processes, and occasionally the omnipotent narrator. All of these levels of meta-observation give you clues as to how you are supposed to feel, or how the author wants you to feel, about this character delivering that line.

However, when someone replies to a post on a message board, or I suppose even more personally when you email something to someone who knows you, there are many levels of observation missing. I guess I’m mainly referring to something you would write conversationally. So if my friend emails me to tell me she is in Paris, and I email back calling her a wanker, she can’t see my face at the time, and she has nothing else other than the statement “You are a wanker” to go on. Now, given that she knows me, she probably won’t assume that I’m actually upset at her. On top of that, you could add more to the line, saying “Wow, I’m so happy for you, wanker,” or something of the sort to clarify the ambiguity (that I might actually be mad at her). However, a line like that doesn’t have the same brevity of wit (and I’m using wit in the very loosest of senses here) that a simple “wanker” does.

Which is where the smiley comes in. It allows for us to write the same exact phrase we would use in a conversation and provide an approximation of what our non-verbal (or in this case non-written, which is even worse because at least the spoken word carries tone with it) communication would be telling the other person at the time. Granted, a cartoon of two dots and a curve surrounded by a circle isn’t great approximation, but if you’re writing to someone who knows you, she can place that in the context of all the times she’s seen you smile in the past. Being removed from the person makes it more difficult, but a smile still has a meaning to people.

I guess my point in all of this is that it seems to me that as long as they are not used in inappropriate situations, and if they are not abused, emoticons allow us to carry on the flow of a conversation with greater clarity in a medium where a huge chunk of our communication (ie non-verbal/written) is lost.

Any of you emoticon haters out there disagree?

:rolleyes:

You do make a good case for them, but I still find them intolerably vulgar.

I have used an emoticon exactly once in my posting life – as a way of making my impending departure from the boards for several years a bit more humorous.

I hate the bastards. I feel they are a crutch used by folks who’re unable to adequately (in their own minds) express themselves adequately using the written word. Postings to threads here consisting of single “smilies,” as I call them, or strings of smilies are the basest form of communication. When the boards moved to this forum, I fought tooth and nail to have the smilies excluded from the move as I believed (and still do) that they are antithetic to our mission of “fighting ignorance.”

I wavered in my belief when Wally’s smilie was introduced – I believed it was a tip of the cap to a good posting friend. That emoticon is now defunct.

This is my opinion only! I (now) make a concientious effort not denegrate those who prefer to use them, but in my mind those who do use them regularly occupy a posting tier below those who don’t.

For the short answer – see sig.

I think they can be good. Kinda how you set across the mood of what your writing when you are writing something small. Kinda like how sarcasm is lost over the internet when writing.

I used to hate them, but have come to generally accept and even occasionally use them.

Newspapers should start using them to attract interest of younger readers.

I had never used them until I came here, and then only sparingly. Then I decided that they looked stupid, and underestimated the intelligence of the reader. If what I write is so hard to follow that no one can tell whether I’m being humorous or dubious or whatever the description, that’s my fault. If I need to add winks and smiles or tongue-sticking-out to the end of comments, because otherwise you couldn’t gauge my intent, that underestimates your reading comprehension. I prefer to let my words say what they say, and I try to be unambiguous.

fishbicycle and staggerlee (BTW, I love your username), your membership cards are being mailed forthwith.

Hey, ChiefScott:

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^ Holy shit. That is insane, and awesome. My hats off to you, man.

Virtually everybody knows these days about the importance of body language / non-verbal communication.

How they ascribe numbers to these things I don’t know but whenever I’ve seen a figure put on the importance of the words used communication it’s been less than 50%.

So given that I’ve just lost over 50% of the message by typing this rather than coming round to your house and talking to you, I think any tool that improves your ability to understand the mood, and tone, of a post should be considered useful.

It’s true that kiddies may over use them but avoiding something because someone else likes it is as bad as being led by fashion.

Gojira! Gojira!

[/scared Japenese impression]

The idea that they’re a “crutch” used by people who are otherwise unable to communicate their thoughts effectively is not only simplistic, it was wrong from the beginning.

What are we doing typing here to each other? We’re communicating. We use words, punctuation, italics, bold, caps. . .everything they keyboard puts at our disposal to convey our thoughts and emotions.

The fact that people came up with shorthand ways of doing SOME of that is a sort of mini-triumph of collective creativity. It’s not Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony, but it’s as exciting to me as the introduction of new words and phrases to the language, or the complete bastardization of old words used in wrong ways.

As a pulled-from-my-ass throwaway, the people I know who really hate them seem to be conservative in nature.

I’m usually a bit of a snob with regards to the written word, but I’ve been accepting of most (I still hate that fucken rolleyes thing and never use it) smileys since I was first on the net. People need to realise that this isn’t written communication. It’s spoken communication in text. That’s not weaseling bullshit either - it’s a real distinction. In lieu of facial expression or vocal intonation, smileys play an important role in smoothing discourse. I’ve seen too many intense flame wars over the years that could have been avoided with a simple :).

I must admit though, I prefer the pure text smileys to the image-based ones.

I very rarely use emoticons on forums such as this, but I’ll often use simple ones in casual real-time text chat. It really does have meaning if used properly. For example, when the other person is working on something else while you’re waiting to have a conversation:

Them: I’m nearly finished :slight_smile:
Me: Good! :slight_smile:

In both cases, the smilies indicate a true meaning that would sound stuffy and take time to type if worded:

Them: I’m nearly finished, and I’m pleased about that because I’m looking forward to talking to you
Me: I’m glad about that, and I look forward to talking to you too.

Given the fast speed of text chat, it’s handy to be able to use emoticons for brevity.

This makes sense to me, but then in ‘real life’ I’m not much of a grinner. Maybe if someone could design a grey, straight-mouthed ‘Deadpan’ smiley I might use it. Or rather, not…

I’ve eased up and allowed myself to use them even though I’ve never liked the things very much. I make a lot of jokes, and I know people can tell when I’m kidding in person. When you’re communicating with only text, and with people who don’t know you as well, it can be a good choice even if they feel like a cheat.

Incidentally, I’m surprised nobody has done a post with every emoticon yet.

And now, somehow, I feel they shall…

Putz!

It was going to happen anyway, unless we’ve made it pointless by talking about it.

I was thinking about doing a post where I put an emote at the end of ever sentence but then I decided I wanted to continue living so I was hoping someone else would it instead. :smiley: