Employee up for a promotion reveals disturbing secret while drunk. What do you do?

[Boyo_Jim]

@Uzi

@ladyfoxfyre

That is exercising good judgment. Getting blackout drunk and hurling racial epithets is poor judgment.

But Anne normally doesn’t get drunk around her co-workers. She has shown good judgment up until this point. And in this one instance she went out drinking with co-workers because of special circumstances. Circumstances that directly have a bearing on the words she said even if not the degree. Who knows how much she drinks? I don’t drink and if I did I’d have no idea how many drinks it would take to get me drunk.
Yeah, there are some things that would result in an immediate firing. This could be one of them, but I think there needs to be more followup.

A question that no one is asking is why she doesn’t go drinking with her co-workers? Are they black or jewish? That might have more bearing on what she thinks of them and show a pattern of behaviour rather than a one time drunken rant.

And doesn’t the dealership do follow ups with customers? Satisfaction surveys? A complaints box? Another way of finding out patterns of activity.

Perhaps you ought to get serious drunk a few times with some friends you trust. It is enlightening. I myself am a pretty jolly drunk, the worst behavior I have is getting a bit overly flirty with cute waitresses.

Perhaps she doesn’t go out drinking with her friends because these kinds of vole thoughts have come out before in previous bouts with drinks, and she decided rightly so that getting drunk was a really bad idea.

I have to wonder about all the people who seem to think that alcohol would somehow put these thoughts in her head, as opposed to reveal what is there. Have they also never been seriously drunk themselves?

[ladyfoxfyre]

@Uzi

@ladyfoxfyre

That is exercising good judgment. Getting blackout drunk and hurling racial epithets is poor judgment.

But Anne normally doesn’t get drunk around her co-workers. She has shown good judgment up until this point. And in this one instance she went out drinking with co-workers because of special circumstances. Circumstances that directly have a bearing on the words she said even if not the degree. Who knows how much she drinks? I don’t drink and if I did I’d have no idea how many drinks it would take to get me drunk.
Yeah, there are some things that would result in an immediate firing. This could be one of them, but I think there needs to be more followup.

A question that no one is asking is why she doesn’t go drinking with her co-workers? Are they black or jewish? That might have more bearing on what she thinks of them and show a pattern of behaviour rather than a one time drunken rant.

And doesn’t the dealership do follow ups with customers? Satisfaction surveys? A complaints box? Another way of finding out patterns of activity.

I think that may be part of the problem, that people who don’t drink think that the devil’s potion was what put the fear of the blacks into her, and not that it was something she felt all along. I happen to be of the group that thinks alcohol does not “make” you do or say things, it just makes you more likely to do the things you would do anyway if you had no inhibitions. But people like to blame their poor decisions and behavior on alcohol, so we have this cultural idea that people can’t be held responsible for their behavior or words when they are intoxicated. Rubbish.

Circumstances that directly have a bearing on the words she said even if not the degree.

I think this is garbage too. See, when a non-racist has a friend killed in a car accident, they think “What a terrible tragedy, I miss my friend, I hate the person who killed them recklessly”. When a racist has a friend killed in a car accident, they think “I hate that nigger who killed my friend, and the Jew lawyer who will get him off.” See the difference?

[Uzi]

@ladyfoxfyre

I happen to be of the group that thinks alcohol does not “make” you do or say things, it just makes you more likely to do the things you would do anyway if you had no inhibitions.

If I had no inhibitions I’d probably do lots of things I don’t do now. But because I have, I don’t. Does that mean I secretly want to wander around naked and pee in the petunias? No, but if someone suggested it to me in a state where it wouldn’t bother me to do so, I just might. When a drunk is saying to a complete stranger, “I love you, man”, do you really think they mean it?

But people like to blame their poor decisions and behavior on alcohol, so we have this cultural idea that people can’t be held responsible for their behavior or words when they are intoxicated. Rubbish.

People make poor decisions all the time when drunk. Getting into a car and driving is just one of them.

See the difference?

I see a difference. Would either one of them say it if they weren’t drunk?

[ladyfoxfyre]

@Uzi

@ladyfoxfyre

I happen to be of the group that thinks alcohol does not “make” you do or say things, it just makes you more likely to do the things you would do anyway if you had no inhibitions.

If I had no inhibitions I’d probably do lots of things I don’t do now. But because I have, I don’t. Does that mean I secretly want to wander around naked and pee in the petunias? No, but if someone suggested it to me in a state where it wouldn’t bother me to do so, I just might. When a drunk is saying to a complete stranger, “I love you, man”, do you really think they mean it?

People make poor decisions all the time when drunk. Getting into a car and driving is just one of them.

See the difference?

I see a difference. Would either one of them say it if they weren’t drunk?

I don’t care what you secretly want to do or whether drinking would make you more inclined to do it, what I do care about is if you are harboring racist thoughts which you indicate a desire to inflict upon innocent people who are your subordinates. Yes, people make poor decisions when drunk. Your example shows that as a society, we do not excuse people’s decisions because they are under the influence. Period. Anne made a poor decision to drink with coworkers and reveal that she held these beliefs. She is responsible for the consequences of those actions, even if it means she does not get to further her career or employment with that organization.

[sisu]

Does she sell lots of cars at good margins? If yes then keep her, if no then sack her racist arse!

Simple it is a car sales business, of course it is full of sleaze bags. Just go ask Chop.