I asked this question in the very long thread on Casino Royale, somewhere around middle of page 4, got a handful of responses and then the thread moved on. So, with the permission of the Moderator, I’m asking in a separate thread to get more input. I’m putting my first post in spoiler quotes, but I’ve labelled the title so no one should be reading further if they don’t want spoilers.
Ok, so my family was confused and divided on a major plot development, about the end of the movie. Yeah, I know that it’s a James Bond film, and one shouldn’t take the villain’s plot too seriously, but this is trying to be a new, more realistic Bond, right? So:
The question: When Vesper is taking the money to a one-eyed villain, is that Le Chiffre, or is that one of Mr White’s men who just coincidentally also has a bad left eye?
Here’s our dilemma:
Situation A: Situation A: If it’s LeChiffre: it doesn’t look like him, face is thinner, although we can’t see him well under the hat. But if it is him, the whole villain’s plot makes no sense. That means Mr White hadn’t really killed Le Chiffre, it was all a sham to make Bond trust Vesper? But then why didn’t Vesper leave Bond the minute the money was transferred to the bank account? Why stay around for so long? Situation B:Situation B: If it’s not LeChiffre, just another of Mr White’s agents, then were the screenwriters so dumb that they created another villain with a bad left eye for the same movie? And the whole bit about killing him with a nail through the bad eye, that seems so appropriate for LeChiffre and so meaningless for anyone else.
We’re very divided on this. My wife and daughter-in-law think it was Situation B, while my son and I don’t think any movie-makers, however incompetent, could be so stupid as to have Situation B so it must be Situation A. IMDB and a perusal of online reviews has been no help. What do y’all think?
If his body wasn’t at the house when the Good Guys found Bond and Vesper, it would have some up in conversation.
I think he was dead and the other bad eye fellow an employee of Mr. White.
I thought it definately was another man, both smaller and older than LeChiffre. I’ve no explanation for the fact they both had a bad eye, other than the unusual glasses made him instantantly recognizable after Vesper briefly glanced him from the canal boat.
Shortly after that though, how did bond find White? Yes, he got his name and number from Vespar’s phone but how did Bond track him so quickly to that beautiful villa?
That was what, the third time answering a cell phone got someone recognized?
I got the notion that it took Bond a little while to find Mr. White. I don’t remember anything in the movie clearly stating when Bond found him though. And I think Vesper’s phone had some sort of clue(s) that helped Bond find him at all.
I haven’t seen this movie since opening day so I may be wrong about the clue(s) part.
presumably, using the same phone-tracking device seen earlier in the movie.
Yes, I commented in the original thread about the over-use of that particular plot device. But this shows that the creators are willing to recycle ideas. So I vote for two different people with bad eyes.
This movie has caused arguments in my family as well. I am still confused of who did what :smack:
[spoiler]Who is it that saves Bond from LeChiffre then spares Bond’s life? Was it Mr. White or was it someone who Lechiffre owed money to (LeChiffre did tell him, “I will get you the money”? I thought that Mr. White had said that he was simply a broker- had he not gotten paid his bokerage fee?
Was it Mr. White that kidnapped Vespers Boyfriend, and if he did, did he just do it when he knew that LeChiffre had her or did Mr. White have the boyfriend from the beginning of the poker tourney and was manipulating things from the beginning? Or was it LeChiffre who kidnapped the Boyfriend when he kidnapped Vesper, and knew that he had Vesper, but he just needed to break Bond to get the money? Was Mr. White simply a thief through all this?
Was Mathis really giving info to LeChiffre or was it Vesper all along?[/spoiler]
