Now, this, this is an excellent point about how and why the “outcast” wording causes offense.
Modnote: Let’s not get into a debate on what is and isn’t Genocide. This is the ATMB. IF someone wants to start a thread on this issue, please try GD or even The Pit. So to posters on all side of this argument, please drop the Genocide conversation. It isn’t appropriate to ATMB.
OP is an example of what I’ve called out as paternalistic tone policing. I’m not a fan, which is why I started this thread:
That one wasn’t specifically about racism, but the mod trend of “I don’t like your tone, mister” seems like a big departure from years past, and not for the better. Seems like OP has spotted another one.
What I would want to see in situations like this is the old no-fault “everyone dial it back”, and "you in particular are close to crossing the line, followed by a direct PM assessing “this topic seems to send you over the line pretty easily. Others have noticed, we’ve noticed, you need to reel it in.”
It’s pretty gross to say “hey buddy, you’re getting too angry, don’t be angry.” I wouldn’t say that to anyone at all, and I doubly would not say that to POC.
How about just putting an end to the tone policing.
This is true if the children were members of First Nations society ONLY and were not part of nor had any place in a wider Canadian society. To me, that seems problematic. The residential school system persisted in Canada into the 1990s; regardless of the brutal history of how the nation was created, is it fair to say that by that late date, “Canadian society” and “indigenous society” were wholly separate and ne’er the twain shall meet?
Having read what you and others have written, I will agree that calling them outcasts was not a well-chosen turn of phrase, and I do sincerely apologize for the offense I have caused.
My intent was to say that Canadian society, writ large, disregarded indigenous children and cast them aside. That was not how my words were received, however, and that is my fault.
This apology would sit better if it wasn’t immediately after a whole paragraph of you just doing the same thing again.
I just wanted to point out that there is indeed a thread in the Pit on this subject right now.
I had understood this usage of ‘outcast’ to mean not that the individual children were ‘outcasts’ as a result of being kidnapped, but rather that every single indigenous Canadian was an outcast from the larger power structure of Canadian society. ‘Outcast’ is still a strange choice of word here, since it seems to have to have once been a part of the society and been cast out from it, which is not the case here.
Modnote: With this “useless” post that does not belong in this thread, I am now going to tell you to stay out of this thread.
Actually on that modnote, I think it is a good time to close this. I can say this entire situation is being discussed in the modloop. It is not be ignored. There seems to be 2 related pit threads at this point, maybe 3 and the original thread.