Discussions in ATMB are expected to be polite and civil. This isn’t the Pit, or anything close to it. Posting something that by your own admission is mocking only serves to be inflammatory, and that does nothing towards resolving any issues that are being discussed.
Don’t make intentionally inflammatory posts in ATMB.
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Grotonian didn’t say he was mocking other people in the thread, he said the story was written to mock people. Now he seems to have misunderstood the story, but his use of the story was to demonstrate the error he thinks others are trying to defend - “let’s go hunt down anyone who says hate speech”. And if he had the right lesson, don’t use silly gossip as your only justification to persecute someone, then it would be a simple demonstration lesson.
Nothing he did was any more mocking than throwing a rolleyes at somebody, or posting
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I realize it’s just a moderator note, but it’s a misreading. Either that, or everyone in this thread needs a giant Mod Note, and some warnings are due.
I understand that Grotonian didn’t say he was mocking other people. But the intent of his quote was of a mocking nature, as was this comment that he added (which I probably should have included in the mod note).
I understand the point that he is trying to make, but he seems to be doing it in a way that is inflammatory and designed to provoke a reaction rather than engaging in a civil discussion.
And yes plenty of other folks in that thread are getting too snippy, and I’ve been debating adding another mod note to that thread, though that may not be necessary now that you’ve called attention to it here. You’ve quoted most of the worst offenders. Grotonian’s posts just seemed to me to be more confrontational than the others.
Grotonian also has a bit of a history of being confrontational in ATMB which is why I singled him out specifically to dial it back a bit.
Well, to be fair I deliberately skipped that one in my list because it was Grotonian, and I was trying to point out all the other non-modded comments and commenters. And his having a history does affect the judgment a bit. Still, I think it would have been better to aim at the more egregious example you post here than the (mis)use of a parable.
When folks come into ATMB to discuss something, sometimes they are pissed off over whatever the issue is. I get that. When people are pissed off, they aren’t necessarily on their best behavior, and I get that too.
Discussions in ATMB are supposed to be polite and civil. If I enforce that too heavily, then the focus shifts from whatever the original problem was to the moderation, and the original issue doesn’t get properly discussed or resolved. On the other hand, if I don’t enforce civility heavily enough, threads get out of hand, and that doesn’t resolve anything either. Finding the right balance sometimes can be a bit tricky. I try to make sure that if someone has a point to make, that they at least get to make it, even if it is buried in a few impolite comments.
There are plenty of heated threads where if I moderated every single rule violation, just about every other post would be a mod note or a warning. That’s not productive. So yeah, in a lot of these heated threads, you are going to find posts that went over the line and didn’t get dinged.
There are also cases where someone might have a history of certain types of misbehavior, and those are more likely to get modded just so that we can hopefully break that pattern of misbehavior so that it doesn’t continue to be a problem in future threads. In some cases, this individual might get dinged even though their comments weren’t as far over the line as some others, just because there’s more emphasis on breaking patterns of bad behavior than dealing with isolated incidents of bad behavior.
Remember, the ultimate goal of the exercise is to resolve whatever the issue is. We don’t want to focus so much on the moderation that the issue gets lost in the shuffle.
This is what’s ridiculous about the modding. Obscenities directed AT ME get no note or warning, but a few paragraphs by Thurber posted BY ME do get a note. However, once the note was given and it was declared inappropriate for the thread, continued discussion of it by Miller and other posters was NOT a violation of mod instructions. Why not?
Obviously, it was a tacit acknowledgement by the mods that that fable was not offensive or inflammatory in the thread. So why the note? Oh, that’s right, I have a “history.”
But what are ya gonna do? All posters are equal, some are just more equal than others.
Yes, it’s all about you. You figured it out. It’s a huge conspiracy about you. Everyone is in on it.
It couldn’t be like Ivory says above…that nobody reported the post, including yourself.
You should start reporting posts you feel break the rules rather than complaining about so called thoughts about how everyone is out to get you.
Because just so you know: That post made by her IS against the rules and should have been modded…but probably wasn’t seen because you instead choose to talk about how it’s everyone against you instead of reporting it, seemingly.
Please report all posts you think are against the rules.
No, it is exactly as Ivory says, she saw it and did nothing. How many mods does it take to decide if “asshole” is an insult? Clearly, at least two.
If the rules don’t apply differently to me, what the hell does having a “history” have to do with anything? Why would a mod cite that as the reason for noting me if it weren’t relevant?
I brought up Emiliana’s comment not to ask if it were a rules violation–any asshole can see that it’s a rules violation–but to point out how ridiculously the rules are applied.
As far as reporting all rules violations, most adults are not going to do that. I have better things to do, and many rules violations are harmless. Emiliana’s obscenity didn’t bother me in the least; I suspect it was influenced by an exchange she and I had had several days earlier in the Pit where a couple gentle digs were exchanged. It was nothing two educated adults shouldn’t have been able to handle. And we were both ok with how it was handled.
What I object to is being admittedly singled out for rules violations that are not rules violations when the standards for other posters is significantly different.
And FWIW, I’m not sure I even saw that post. The thread died soon after and after you insulted my religion so deeply, I ignored anything to do with that part of the thread. I briefly responded to the OP twice and then the thread died off. And had I, it’s not my forum to moderate. We don’t moderate each other’s forums except in extreme circumstances.
The only way we catch problems is if members report things. It is the adult thing to do in this community. If you choose not report things it’s hard to justify being surprised that it was not moderated.
Cite? I don’t see how you can prove that, but feel free to link me to proof of it if you can. Her post in this thread doesn’t say one way or another whether she saw it.
Again, you’re wrong and you’re continuing to think this is all one big set up against you. Any mod (both Ivory and myself included) would tell you that that was 100 percent an insult, against the rules, and should be modded. And had it been reported, moderation would have been applied to it (much like I did when I was made aware of it).
But here it is yet again: Nobody reported that post…so no mod saw it. Mods don’t read or see every post, which is why we have a report post button in the first place.
I strongly suggest you start using it, because it just seems to me your time could be better spent making sure a mod sees the insults rather than thinking everyone is against you or that the the rules are “ridiculously applied”, because that is flat out wrong.
I cut the rest of your post because the entire thing boils down to all I said above.
The problem with reporting posts is that the poster is noted/warned, and then everyone else forgets about it. If you don’t report it, you can whine over and over about how it wasn’t modded.
The rules are “ridiculously applied,” and by citing a poster’s history in deciding whether his post should be modded, the mods acknowledge that. An individual post either violates the rules or it doesn’t. One’s history is relevant in determining suspensions or bannings, but not in determining individual rules violations (except, I suppose, when a poster has been warned, but that situation does not apply here.)
I never wrote “everyone’s against me,” or that there is a “conspiracy.” It was a mod who wrote that I was singled out for a note due to my “history.” If that is not a confirmation that the rules apply differently to me, what is it?
I’m not exactly sure what it is that’s always been hard to understand about all this, but here it is again:
Since you’ve been here, you’ve been a bit of a problem poster. So yes, you’ve had to get some mod notes and warnings and—yes, the more you get—the more the mods will say stuff like “based on your previous history [of needing to get notes and warnings]” to you.
That should be a sign that you should ease up on whatever it is you’re posting about and listen to what the mods are saying.
You are not being singled out. If we had a penny for every poster who has already been here claiming the same thing you are (“oooh, the mods are biased, they’re picking only on me”) we’d be fairly rich, so…no, it’s not just you, you just think it is.
You’re wrong.
This is now the 3rd or 4th time it’s been explained to you, I really don’t know how else it can be put to where it’d be more helpful.
My suggestion to you is to maybe ease off posting in ATMB for awhile.
What, pray tell, from my posting history was supposed to suggest to me that JAMES THURBER is “inflammatory”? Do I have a reputation for posting heinously offensive early 20th century American humorists? You better hide the women and children cuz I might unload some Will Rogers with both fucking barrels.
Your insistence that a poster’s history is relevant in determining rules violations already concedes my point. It’s fine to say,“Grotonian, you have violated the rule against personal insults for the 3rd time,” it is horseshit to say,“Grotonian, because of your history, I am declaring Thurber to be inflammatory, and with that declaration claiming a rules violation in this forum.”
