Um, what? You made a claim that “Race-baiting is very popular in the Toronto media”, and I’m the one who is going “absolutely bananas”? :dubious:
Yes, I misspoke when I said “the substance of your complaint is that Toronto …”, when I meant is “the substance of you complaint is that Toronto media …”. It is bloody obvious in context, considering that my whole post was discussing the media, and it is I think petty and small-minded of you to latch onto that, and simply ignore the SUBSTANCE of my post, in which the actual SUBSTANCE of your rant was discussed.
In any event, how does a city “speak” except through its media? If I were to post here that " Montreal’s media is throrougly racist", isn’t that saying something about Montreal?
You said you had not seen “any proof” that the claim by Toronto’s media (look, I added that all-important - to you - qualifier!) that Toronto was “the most multicultural city in the world”. I provided that. I then went on to ask what your problem with that claim was - why, in fact, you found it “especially repugnant”.
Since your only answer was a petty attack on a single sentence of my post, combined with an accusation of “going bananas” and a total ignoring of the substance of the argument, I guess I’m not actually going to get an answer. I can only assume that it is because you cannot answer.
Poor show. :rolleyes: You should either back up your original rant or retract it.
Good discussion, severus. My husband and I were talking a short while ago about how different Canada would be if there weren’t language barriers that prevent people from talking to each other, and not getting their biased ideas only from media and politicians, both of which have their own agendas.
Interesting - that’s pretty much exactly how the Rest of Canada (ROC) looks at a Francophone Quebecois’ attitude towards the ROC. I guess we’re pretty much at a chicken-and-egg situation now - who started the animosity? The ROC feeling hurt by Francophone Quebecois wanting to leave Canada, or the Francophone Quebecois feeling disgruntled because the ROC didn’t respect their sovereignty issues? And Larry Mudd is absolutely correct; any Dopers who were telling you that there isn’t any anti-Quebec sentiments in the ROC were blowing smoke up your ass. There definitely is.
(Typical Torontonians; how did this discussion get to be all about YOU? )
As for the initial discussion. Upon re reading the article in question I do have to say her linking the shooting to some sort of Anglo/ immigrant alienation is a little off the wall.
Sure there is bigotry out there but it is the same ignorence that will always be there with a minority of Jack asses. There is anti semitism and racism still in Canada and being practiced by people in all walks of life, that doesn’t mean we’re all cut of that same cloth.
I still contend there is not come huge anti Quebec agenda in English Canada.
At least not these days. Sure you could argue there was in the early part of the 20th century. But we have evolved.
To be honest the only time I hear anyone say anything against Quebec it is when discussing Seperation. Maybe I’m walled up in some strange isolated enlitened area and the rest of Canada is a seething mass of resentment… but I doubt it.
I wonder if this belief that We all hate you and our media is promoting bigotry is not just another tool to help promote the idea that seperation would be better for Quebec. After all its easier to split with people who hate you.
:dubious: So who do you think has both the ability to manipulate the minds of Quebecers and the will to do it to promote the idea the English Canadians hate Quebec? We want names! Especially since this idea isn’t one that I really see anywhere. The only idea I discussed here is the one that accusing francophone Quebecers of ethnic bigotry is politically correct in English media. Nothing about love or hate.
Lets get a reality check here. From my perspective in British Columbia, we don’t give a flying fuck what goes on back east. Yes there is anti Quebec sentiment, but it is very, very shallow. Sure, if the Globe ands Mail calls us on the telephone and asks us what the fuck we think about Quebec we are going to take the opportunity to express some gripes, but they are so minor in our pursuit of happiness here and that they do not affect our decisions as to how we spend our valuable time whatsover, The federal role in our fisheries is by far the biggest connection we have with Ottowa, and that is almost a daily concern.
We don’t want Canada to break up, but if Quebec decides to go, so be it, but we’ll expect a solution that recognizes the history and how Quebec came to be. But given the scares we’ve had in the past regarding the wishes of Quebeckers, we’ll wait and see.
I can’t even tell what the hell it is you’re compalining about anymore. Jesus, Torontonians are sensitive. The CN Tower is really tall, we’re not doubting it. City Hall is really curvy! Go Leafs Go!
That the Toronto media likes to race-bait? You tell me any other city whose largest-circulation newspaper would run this:
Well, sure, it’s not like everyone in AB and SK are doing nothing but sitting around griping about Quebec all day, every day, either, but there certainly is a noticeable anti-Quebec sentiment in both provinces. It would not be accurate to say everyone in AB and SK is a redneck, but they are definitely exist here. And we’re more concerned about things like BSE and a recurrence of the NEP, too.
Having grown up in BC, I’d never even heard a Newfie joke until I left, let alone anyone ranting about Quebec. And in my frequent visits back there (we’re moving to the Vancouver area next year), no one I know even discusses it. From my experience the whole country on the other side of the mountains could disappear and no one would notice for quite a while. Albertans are far more ‘aware’ and concerned of what happens in the east. Most likely it is due to a fear of another NEP occuring, though.
I don’t know if it’s that noticeable. It’s there, yes, but don’t forget the anti-Ontario sentiment, the anti-Ottawa sentient, the anti-Toronto sentiment, the anti-appointed-senate sentiment, the anti-US-regulators-who-keep-our-cows-out sentiment, and so on. The anti-Quebec sentiment is here, but just one of many, so it gets kind of lost in the morass of anti-whatevers. At any rate, we don’t wake up in the mornings, grab our newspapers, and say “Let’s see how the Calgary Herald or the Edmonton Journal wants me to hate Quebec today.”
In fact, I don’t recall seeing any Quebec items at all on the front pages of the papers I see at the local newsstand as I pass by daily. Maybe there should be one though: “Quebec Ignored On Front Pages Of Western Media; Quebec Gov’t To File Formal Complaint With Alberta Press Council.”
Of course, I should admit that the Dawson College shooting in Montreal did make the front pages out here. :smack: But then I imagine it did so everywhere in Canada.
On a standard, run of the mill news day, however, very little news comes from Quebec. And the vast majority of it is just not front-page stuff.
I don’t know what you’re talking about - I was fuming every minute I spent on this thread.
Ah, I can’t even pretend that’s true. Yes, it is the least fractious debate on this question ever. Makes me wonder what Canadians could actually get accomplished if the politicians and media would get out of the way.
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