Enterprise Expanse SPOILER thread! It's the season Finale, where's the <3?

Of course we have the whispers of a mysterious Xindi “weapon of mass destruction”. Ooooooh. All the more reason to kick their ass, right? Sound familiar?

And of course, the Xindi will admit to having them and agree to disarm. Then they’ll stall and obfuscate for 12 years while the Vulcans give them chance after chance. Then Archer, having seen Earth suffer another attack from a species that the Xindi have long been known to harbor and supply, will give them one last chance–disarm and show us the proof that they have or we invade.

The Xindi will refuse, naturally, and we’ll mop the floor with them in 3-4 episodes. But then we can’t find the new WMD probe within a few more eps. Suddenly, the Vulcans, who demanded over 12 years to look for the WMDs themselves, will start whining that we haven’t found them in a mere 8 episodes. And we’ll be left with the questions . . .

  1. Did the Xindi simply hide their weapons really well in the 12 years that the Vulcans dicked around and it will just take some time to dig them out?

  2. Did the Xindi pass their weapons to the Syr–I mean, the Romulans?

  3. Or was the leader of the Xindi simply the biggest idiot in the history of the world, having the means to prove that the WMDs were destroyed all along but refusing to hand the documentation over as he had agreed to 12 years before out of sheer pique?

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viva, you are a superstar! That was some truly brilliant artwork - thank you for a link that made my day. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

Kn(my next post will be on-topic)ckers

ROFL! Good analogy. I will go with answer…3.

The Tripp reactions were the best part of this ep, IMO. If tptb can work some of that realism into the story arc for next season, it’ll be good.

But, man… what a low key, lack luster way to slide into a new arc.

On Craig Kilborn the other night, Quantum was talking about the series and he said that the worry was over because UPN definitely decided to go with another season. The lack of focus for this ep is understandable in light of this revelation. (Since the ep would’ve had to been filmed already, you see.) It’s as though B&B were hedging their bets and prepared to let the show drop. Because this show, edited differently, could’ve been the series closer.

btw, Viva, not every Vulcanian has to have a T’ in their name. Remember Spock? :wink:

A coupel of people have commented on the “reality” of Trip’s reaction, and RikWriter took me to task for using the word “redneck” to describe it.

Well, I’m a Brit living here in the colonies. Over the years, I’ve talked to friends who have had family members killed in a variety of senseless ways. I’ve had a couple of military friends killed in senseless ways too (including one who suffered a friendly-fire incident in Gulf War I).

I’ve personally never seen a reaction like Trip’s. It played false to me, and seemed to be stereotypical and simplistic – reminded me of something I might have seen on “The Dukes of Hazzard”. Some of which may have been the accent as well, in that it seemed to come on stronger this week.

If RikWriter and NoClueBoy tell me that it played well in their experience, well then I am a happier Scruff. I was worried that (in much the same way as the Suliban were inspired by the Taleban) B&B were taking the cheap way to boost their show based on the public outcry and feelings around the “War on Terror” and the recent Iraq conflict. I guess I’m too cynical.

Didn’t mean to offend anyone.

Here’s my next post. It’s long as hell (sorry, I had a lot to say). And, as promised, it’s on-topic:
–Tons of Spoilers–
I think it was NCB who was feeling ambivalent about this one. I got the same thing. There were booms and 'splosions, and some interesting emotional stuff, but nothing really happened. Yes, Earth got beaten up, yes the Klingons got tough, yes the Vulcans pissed and moaned. But where’s the plot development? Where’s the rising action, the climax, and the falling action? I like the originality of starting out with the probe attack, and then exploring people’s responses to it, but the inherent problem with structuring an episode that way is that you get the climax over with before the opening credits. Then you’re left to twiddle your thumbs for the rest of the hour (or come up with mindless, dead-end plot devices), when you’re SUPPOSED to be having a season finale.

So, storywise, I had a hard time getting into this rather fragmented, poorly-structured episode. I kept getting bored, and wondering when it was going to hit its stride. Then it never really did, and I was a little disappointed.

That said, the story (plodding though it was) did manage to set up some cool stuff for next season. Like others here, I’m excited by the prospect of space marines, and I was glad to see Archer remind us that Starfleet isn’t military (since this looks a lot like a military mission). T’Pol’s disobedience of the High Command is interesting, in that it changes the relationship dynamic between the Vulcans and Enterprise; once she has resigned, they can’t have nearly as much influence as they had before. Finally, The Seven Million Dead Including Trip’s Baby Sister ( :frowning: ) part was well done - Earth rarely (if ever) suffers major disasters in the Star Trek universe, so this is pretty new and different, and Earth’s interstellar political response, if any, would be a cool thing to see (though I doubt we’ll get much of that, since we’re off in the Delphic Expanse, now).

Also on the plus side, I saw some impressive acting, cool special effects, and fair (not “great”, just “fair”, but that’s better than “lousily crapalicious”) writing. Good camera work, too - I forget when exactly, but during the battle at the end, they did abrupt pans of the bridge that made it look extra dramatic and confusing - exactly as it should be when things are getting blown up.

Two more semi-serious things, before I move on to silly, frivolous observations -

Trip’s subplot. Good stuff. Well, not good in a positive sense; good in that it fleshes out his character even more, by screwing with his psyche. It’s good to see characters used according to their actual purpose (sentient imaginary people), rather than how Bermandbraga usually use them (as sexy action figures). What with the Cogenitor mess, Trip’s had a hard time, lately. I imagine that that coupled with the grief, anger and regret over losing his sister could well put him a little left of center (sanity-wise, not politically).

We saw him get mad, in this episode. Not once, several times. And (contrary to tradition in the recent series) his anger wasn’t assuaged by heart-to-heart chats with his crewmates; if anything, it was deepened. Malcolm won’t shut up about it. Archer might turn out to be too much of a pussy to get the revenge Trip craves. So here’s poor Trip, left very much alone with his troubles. Which is unfortunate, but it gives Trinneer a chance to flex some acting muscle and mold his character into someone we can care about.

And, here’s something neat: He’s dumb. Which is typical of REAL people. How is he dumb? Let me explain. We may well recall that his personal policy of interfering with other species anytime he damn well wants led to much badness a few weeks ago. Got him yelled at by his CO/friend/confidant/co-dependant male companion. Made him all sad and stuff. And here, our buddy Trip didn’t learn a damn thing. He’s entreating Archer to interfere like hell. He’s glad T’Pol’s leaving, because of the Vulcan let-sleeping-dogs-lie policy. He wants to blow the shit out of people he’s never met, without even any proof they’re the bad guys.
And you object to my observation. You say, well, OF COURSE, Trip’s forgetting the Cogenitor thing. OF COURSE, he wants to interfere - his sister just got murdered in a horrible sneak attack! And that, my friend, is exactly my point. What we have here, is a Star Trek character acting and thinking like a REAL PERSON, which is mighty unusual, and, if I amy say so, pretty damn refreshing.
(This makes me worry that this is all an accident, and the result of poorly-thought-out writing, but I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt).

Last serious point:
Phlox rox.
Damn good scene with the Vulcan shrink. Damn good. Also, a good scene with T’Pol, but the shrink one was my favorite.

Silly stuff:

Does everyone on Enterprise except Archer and Trip work 24-hour shifts? Cause when those two were off lounging around in civvies, drinkin’, the rest of the bridge crew had to work. And it looked like nighttime to me (hard to tell in space, though).

Oh, hell - I wanted to write more, but I have to get back to work, now.
Love, Kn*ckers

Right – the probe could have wiped out the Earth almost completely, Archer and Co. show up and get captured by Duras, Porthos is eaten by a targ, the remnants of humanity are enslaved by the Klingon Empire, and…

…and we find out that this series has all happened in one of the alternate universes anyways. :smiley:

And Buffy marries Spike!

I guess the problem is that this whole episode could pretty much be seen as the exposition for Season 3. I think they threw in the Klingon plot just so that there would be some kind of story line that had a conclusion. And I did enjoy seeing them blow the crap out of Duras at the end, although I thought they should have hit them harder in their initial pursuit.

RikWriter was right.


And Kn*ckers – great comments on the whole Trip situation, and his much more realistic and human response. I agree, and I also hope that wasn’t just an accident from the writers.

And Phlox was great in the sickbay scene.

Oh, and of course, one of the first things I noticed was that the alien probe started its attack in my home state of Florida, those farging bastiges!!!

On second thought, it looks like they started in south Florida, so maybe they managed to wipe out all the people who didn’t know how to fill out a ballot and made my state look bad… Thanks, alien aggressors! :smiley:

Alright, that’s enough of actually working. Now I’m going to continue with frivolity:
I never noticed the uniforms the Starfleet brass wears before, but they’re sort of neat. More like the actual uniforms worn today, than the ones used in the later Star Trek timeline. So, a fun little fashion evolution, there.

When Archer told Travis to take them out of spacedock, he said something about “slow and steady.” Wasn’t that the same line he used when they first launched? If so, cute little self-reference. If not, I’m stupid.

In the scene where T’Pol tells Archer she wants to stay, he’s putting a smallish book with a red cover on his bookshelf. I’m dying to know what book it was. Catcher and the Rye? 1984? The Scarlet Letter? I’m curious about his taste in literature, since he mostly doesn’t read. He mostly watches water polo, plays with the dog and wishes for a Prime Directive.

The border of the Delphic Expanse: Is it made of grape soda? Cause it’s exactly the right color.
Man, grape soda’s nasty.

I was a little disapointed with the ending, I was hoping for a little more “cliffhanger-ish”.

Not a bad episode though, I do want to see how it progresses.

I do find it a little hard to believe the Klingons were “scared” to go into a region of space though. These are the same beings that think nothing of doing something that puts them in mortal danger any other time

The book is Captains Courageous.

He’s boning up.

Which would be a good pick up line…

I agree mostly with Kn*ckers about the development of Trip, the crummy structure of the show, and so on. I also noticed the Starfleet Admiral’s cute little necktie. Hmmm, I thought, wonder if clip-ons aren’t a fashion faux pas in a hundred and fifty years.

But the writing, the actual moment-to-moment script, sucked a big bag of syphilitic camel come.

In one moment, we have the Vulcan ambassador insisting that the rock-solid research of the Science Directorate makes time travel impossible. In the next moment, he’s tossing off some goofy-ass threat about how “the laws of physics don’t apply” in parts of the Delphic Expanse. Which one is it, Sir Pointy? Either the laws of physics cannot be broken, or they can. Pick one, please.

It’s moments like that that take me out of the show, that remind me that it’s being written by flawed — deeply flawed, as it turns out — human beings. The very best writing transcends the writer, and fools you into believing that the events you’re seeing are happening (or once happened) outside the control of a human creator. Storytelling, in other words, is at its best a convincing simulation of real life. But when the Vulcan says something like that, I’m reminded that all of this stuff is flowing from the pen (or the word processor) of The Bermaga, and I fall out of the show’s reality, frustrated all over again that they just plain don’t know what they’re talking about.

Like NCB (I think) said, I weep for Firefly.

As far as the Space Marines go, I was a little distracted when the Admiral asked Archer, Are you okay with having the military aboard? And I thought, waitasec, aren’t you an Admiral, and aren’t you talking to a Captain? Is Starfleet a civilian organization that just happens to have adopted Navy lingo? I know Roddenberry was sort of confused about this issue, insisting during the first two seasons of Next Gen that Starfleet was not a military organization, even while they were doing all the “at ease” and “chain of command” stuff. I just hoped that The Bermaga would be able to pretend that stuff hadn’t happened and slide elegantly around it. Instead, they call attention to it again, and take me out of the episode, again.

And I don’t know if the Space Marines are going to be good, or bad, for the show. I worry they’re trying to turn Enterprise into Space: Above and Beyond. Maybe that will be cool, but given the caliber of writing displayed thus far, it’s a lot more likely to turn into Space: Next To and Smack In The Middle Of.

Re the Delphic Expanse, they’ve set our expectations way too high, and are painting themselves into the corner. They’ve established that a Vulcan ship went into the Expanse, and then two days later they were Sam Neilling each other’s Lawrence Fishburnes an hour before their total destruction. Scary, yes? Okay, but think about it: Either the Expanse really is that bad, which means our heroes don’t have a chance, or it isn’t that bad, which means the writers oversold it, or it is that bad but our heroes will figure out how to defeat the horrors where generations of Vulcans and Klingons failed, which based on the technobabble solutions usually employed by Trek’s writers in the last few years will just plain suck. It’s a no-win scenario.

Unless, of course, Paramount dumps The Bermaga and hires a real writing crew.

In short: Not a terrible episode, but it does nothing to assuage my fears about the show’s direction. I will have to seriously debate over the summer whether or not to bother with the third season when it premieres in the fall.

“This little girl survived in the Delphic Expanse for six weeks.”

“Well great, man! Let’s put her in charge!”

Cross over?

It sucked, like almost all other Enterpise episodes. And the deal with ending the episode halfway thru the storyline will not bring my back next season. I’m done with this worhless piece of trash.

Maybe I’ll rent the DVD if when it comes out if it is a compilation of the T’boobs decontamination scenes.:slight_smile:

it was okay, but had too many slow dragging parts. looked more like a rough draft than a final episode. The Probe was cool, but how did it get past Earth’s defenses while when the Klingons show up three ships appear out of nowhere to shoot them?

Te attack was good, as was the aftermath scenes, but timewise it seemed to be off, the space marines are supposed to get on the ship early on, but then later it is suddenly months later. How long did Future Guy say they had to find the Xindi? And WTF is Quantum dating? Couldn’t they just find a part that said “Copyrite 2634 United Federation of Planets, Utopia Planitia” just to screw with peoples’ minds?

Do you think when the Klingons were turned inside out, they exploded?

Aw, come on… Tell us how you really feel. :wink:

[Mad Magazine]
Yeah, but she has that doll’s head! Girl! Sell me that Doll’s head! I’l give you this rocket launcher! And take these gernades!

Maybe it wasn’t a good day to be turned inside-out?

Tars, I assume Quantum dating is some improved version of carbon dating.

As for Enterprises’ rescuers, the Enterprise had been expected. A probe equipped with a weapon capable of killing a few million from orbit wasn’t.