Europe Re-Elects Obama

Some general thoughts.

The thread title is hyperbole, but Obama has to be sneaking into the garden for a celebratory smoke, if Michelle hasn’t told the Secret Service to wrestle the lighter to the ground. The crisis in Europe is real and had the potential to drag the rest of the world into recession. That had to have been Obama’s worst nightmare: an economic crisis that would doom any chance of recovery and that he would be blamed for without any way of affecting it.

Not that the world has been saved. From what I’ve read, the agreement isn’t a true plan but the absolute minimum possible to avoid immediate disaster. That’s going to lead to more pain for everyone even as a best-case scenario. It could still fall apart. And a half dozen countries in Europe are sitting at the edge. Staving off disaster doesn’t make the sun shine.

Nevertheless, the stock market loved it. The stock market is a reflection of future expectations. It is never rational, no matter how many times people tell you that. It continually overvalues and undervalues that future, with long-term rational being the average of those irrational extremes. It’s now bouncing back, going up more than 10% in October. Whether that’s real or not, next January’s quarterly 401K reports will probably correct the horrible losses that people just saw in their October report. Relief always translates into status quo.

The economy will still be bad in a year. It looks it hit bottom and is starting to slowly move up, but bad is bad. If Obama were running against the economy he would probably lose. He’s not. He’s running against Mitt Romney. That shows every sign of saving him.

I’ve been saying from the beginning that Romney would get the nomination. That was obvious. For humbling purposes, I need to remind myself that I also predicted that the right-wing would coalesce around an anti-Romney, which also seemed obvious. Politics always surprises, even in the dullest and seemingly most obvious election cycle, like this one is. Nobody saw the rejection of every far-right candidate as soon as they got the spotlight on them and became more than an animated tag reading “right-wing.”

Romney is already leading in every early primary state. The race will probably be over by February. Boring, boring, boring. Gotta hope for more craziness. By which I mean craziness that will affect voting. General craziness we got in abundance. Huge heaping amounts of craziness. Crazy like we’ve never seen before. But the voters don’t seem to be buying crazy. They’ll settle for boring over crazy.

Then it’ll be Mitt Romney vs. a sitting president. Two billion dollars worth of attack ads. Everybody holding their noses all the way to November. Close, as swing states get the brunt of the crazy. Gotta go with sitting president, though, as of today. If the world explodes in the next year, all bets are off.

Any bets on a few attempts at “sabotage” trying to cause that explosion?

Think the current powers that be in the GOP aren’t desperate enough to actively cause harm in order to unseat the President? I’m not convinced they wouldn’t try (again) if they thought the odds would break in their favor.

Yes, I’m a Republican condemning other Republicans for putting party over country, purity pledges over the Constitution, and their own personal gain over the greater good. that isn’t being conservative. It’s being a selfish turd.

It was my understanding that the OP’s posit of an explosion referred to a global explosion.

Do the Koch brothers have enough influence on the global economy to cause it?

It’s waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too soon to be calling a presidential election that’s still more than a year away. I suspect Obama will be reelected, and hope he will be, and have even bet elsewhere on the Dope that he’ll get a second term, but I consider it quite possible that he will lose.

Considering current state of events, as discussed in this thread, does the OP want to change his POV? Or perhaps we should discuss the opposite–whether anything bad happening in Europe will spell certain doom for Obama, and if so, how bad it needs to get.

I think that it’s absolutely appalling that Obama or anyone would lose an election just because the euro meltdown unless their reason for an anti-incumbency vote was that s/he failed to capture the ECB and torture them until they acted as a lender of last resort.

God I hate the idiot American voting public. Bunch of ill-informed, lazy, forgetful, anti-intellectual douchebags. The sad thing is that even Hamilton/Mencken’s viewpoint of an enlightened aristocracy doing better has pretty much been proven both in history and as of last week even would create an even bigger pack of fuckups. Such as the ECB.

More good news from Europe, another 500 point gain for the Dow, reclaiming most of the losses since the gain I originally talked about.

I still don’t know if this agreement is any more meaningful than the one in October that was a mirage, but I repeat that Obama’s chances are much better if the rest of the world doesn’t drag the U.S. economy down in ways that nothing on our side can affect.

Leaper, why do you think I need to change that argument?

Now that the situation seems to be getting worse, I am reminded that I should clarify that (a) I think I may’ve been arguing more against your title than your OP, which may have been a mistake, and that (b) there are plenty of people, many on this very board, who think Obama will be “running against the economy” (and I would further point out that if that were true, Europe is, if not moot, at least not as important). Why are they wrong?