Your stats link doesn’t work since it depended on your browser state. And you should have known/specified that your statement only applies to the EU. Germany has received about a third of the total number of refugees arriving in the EU, and more than any other nation in the EU.
Even ignoring the internally displaced the vast majority of refugees, eight times the total in Europe, are in Syria’s nearest neighbours, Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan: Hans Rosling on YouTube: Where are the Syrian refugees?
Sorry, I was under the impression that we were discussing it from an EU perspective considering that the OP map only showed that part of the world. I don’t feel like I am under any obligation to expand on the subject and obviously I can’t know whether the link depends on “browser state”, if that is indeed the case. Either way the link simply shows the amount of asylum seeking refugees and what country they are applying in. The same stats are probably available elsewhere but once again, I’m simply chiming in trying to clear up what I can from my limited perspective, I have no wish to write a thesis on it.
That’s interesting. I was actually for some reason contemplating the culture surrounding women and sex in the US after watching a few news pieces on it. There was some outrage against fraternity kids chanting “No means yes. Yes means anal.” and other similarly unpleasant stuff, as well as reports I have been reading about misogyny in different workplaces etc. It’s quite disturbing. I was obviously aware that there’s a big problem with the view of women among the middle eastern and african cultures (compared to my own egalitarian or feminist view, obviously I am biased) but before this I was unaware that the US had such a harsh climate on this issue.
Of course there’s truth to it. It’s absolutely trivial to observe. There’s a migration path into Europe which goes through the Balkans. Turkey -> Greece -> Macedonia -> Serbia -> Hungary -> Austria -> Germany and some times on to Scandinavia or the UK. None of those countries are in a state of war.
The error comes from labelling the migrants as refugees. Once you leave a safe country, you’re no longer a refugee, you are a migrant. For migrants none of the countries before Germany are especially attractive to migrate to (Macedonia is quite nice actually, but so small), and Austria is quite safe and wealthy too of course. Several of the countries are scrambling to put up walls and fences other barriers. Notable Hungary, but it’s actually quite easy to come through the Hungarian fence; all you have to do is register yourself and have a fingerprint scan. Except that would leave you stranded in Hungary and few of the migrants are interested in this. So they bypass illegally.
Yes I read it. It’s a standard propaganda piece claiming that violent crimes such as murder and rape has skyrocketed over the last 40 years and that it is the fault of immigrants, mainly africans and muslims. The website itself, Dispatch International, is an anti-islam organization and has been classified as racist by the anti-racist organization Expo. The article goes on to defend a man who was convicted of hate speech and finishes up by encouraging those who are interested to know more to buy an obviously anti-islam book that claims to tell the truth about Islam and rape, written by the chief editor of this website.
I’m now assuming that your intentions are not coming from a place of intellectual integrity, since all your sources are blatantly biased anti-muslim and/or racist. If you were actually interested in the truth I don’t think you would be going to these sources, so apparently you have another agenda.
That is not entirely untrue. However, the specific calculation I mentioned was done more as an exercise in taking some of the outrageous numbers presented as real by an anti-immigration nut bag, and taking them to their logical conclusion.
OK I looked up the numbers again and while this involves some fairly crude assumptions, it does appear to be true. Using Washington DC and Oslo as comparisons, as they seem to have surprisingly even populations, and assuming that the US term “forcible rape” and the Norwegian term “assault rape” is roughly equivalent…
And further assuming that all assault rapes in Oslo were committed by immigrants, that would mean immigrants in Oslo have a rape rate of about 9 per 100 000. The rate in Washington DC is reported as 37 per 100 000, so about 4x that.
The numbers even out a bit more if we look at all types of rape, although US prison rapes were excluded from that comparison.
To be honest, I would not be surprised to find that the incidence of assault rapes is lower in Norway, while other kinds are fairly even. Although I would be surprised if the number is as low as zero among ethnic Norwegians.
A number of factors that lead to violent crime is lower in Norway, such as large economic divides, racial tensions, confrontational conflict solving, and I believe there is less of a tendency to leave the mentally ill to their own devices. Violent crime in general is lower, so I wouldn’t be surprised that this type is also lower.
I am surprised that the rates among immigrants tend towards the Norwegian level so quickly though.
…isn’t this an ad hominem argument? I mean you say the source is racist, and that it’s enough to say it’s wrong without showing why. I want to see both sides of the argument. Otherwise this becomes an echo chamber.
How so? I simply state that I think your intention is not coming from a place of intellectual integrity. You keep posting what is very obviously racist and anti-immigration propaganda, then go “Oh could this really be true?”. Apparently this is a pattern, judging by your other two posts.
I could of course be wrong, I’m only guessing based on the evidence so far and I’ll gladly give you the benefit of doubt. How would you describe your agenda and how come your sources are all within the nazi, racist and anti-islam spectrum?
Well you can either question their intent, their arguments or their sources. But why bother? They’re not going to change their mind because they are stuck in a narrative where they get their self-worth and identity from vilifying other ethnic groups. You will never win an argument with logic or reason because they do not base their arguments on that, they only try to use (flawed) arguments and bad sources to justify their emotional position. It’s based on fear and hatred and has very little to do with any facts.
You know, I don’t particularly like the idea of you using this place as a personal resource for your little mission to debunk a bunch of white supremacists. If you are so clearly unequipped to do the job yourself then maybe you should just leave it and do something else with your time.
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Well then, why bother with someone who is an obvious fuckwit? Especially with something that takes literally 5 seconds to look up on a google search, wrt Turkey (and about that long for the other things)?
lol@fuckwitandallthat. Seriously, either you are being disingenuous in this ‘debate’ or you are swayed by some idiot who is clueless about what s/he is talking about, even for the basics. The folks fleeing the area and piling up in the border nations trying to get into EU countries with open immigration policies has, you know, been in the news and all…A LOT. It shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who has been paying any sort of attention…unlike your nameless and clueless friend there.
At any rate, good luck with your supposed attempt to debunk idiots. Based on my own history of trying to do so with 9/11 Truther idiots I can tell you…it’s taking longer than I thought it would, and longer than it should. If you are serious about trying to debunk such things then my advice is to simply educate yourself on what’s going on…it’s easy enough. A couple of Google searches and a few minutes of reading can debunk what you’ve shown so far, at least to anyone with 2 or 3 working brain cells.