In this thread http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=394799 the debate of John Mayer’s lack of songwriting ability came up, and Euthanasiast, who is apparently incapable of understanding even the most basic of logic, asked me to compare John Mayer to other, equally inept songwriters within the Top 100 of the billboard charts.
As I told him, this is like comparing shit to shit. If you’re trying to make a point that John is in fact a good songwriter, WHY are you challenging me to only compare him to his “peers” on the charts? Do you have any idea how a cogent argument works you twit?
Then you go on to say that John Mayer has songs that don’t get on the radio, that are separate from the pop songs he writes along with his “peers.” How corporate money and marketing power automatically makes someone your musical peer is beyond me, but it was his argument. But what I wonder is, if you’re going to stand up for John, why not bring up his non-pop songs in the beginning? Why did you feel the need to set some kind of trap by asking me to compare him with other people on the pop charts?
But you know what, I tried anyway. And then HAHA! His trap was sprung! I dared to claim that Justin Timberlake is better than John Mayer! I’m such a moron! Comparing a top 10 artist to John Mayer!
You asked, I obliged, you smug douche. And for the record, yes, JT’s new material is MILES above John Mayer’s little pussy boy MOR bullshit for school girls.
Am I a fan of JT? No. Never gonna pick up that album. Don’t even leave the station on when his song pops up. But he’s doing more original shit. At least he’s trying. Meanwhile John is running through the halls of his high school and screaming at the top of his pussy boy lungs. Or is that Jack Johnson? I can never tell those two unoriginal fucks apart.
OH HO! But then you ask me to tell you what lyrics JT has penned that are better than John Mayer’s! Since when do lyrics make a song? Further proof of your apparent lack of musical education or experience.
Then you criticize my picking of Timbaland because “OMG all those rappers he works with are crap! They suck so bad that their producer has to step in and sample!”
First of all get your fucking facts straight. Timbaland rarely samples, and when he does it’s not the way someone with your lack of education or listening ability would think, the way Diddy takes an old song and just rehashes the whole thing. Producers like Timbaland meticulously search through dozens of songs and construct wholly new pieces out of parts from other songs. And even when they use recognizable samples, at least they are used in a new, original sounding context, unlike your precious blues where the same old scales and licks are used over and over again by different artists. How is that any different from the sampling you despise?
And guess what, that’s only on the rare occasions when he DOES sample. Usually it’s synth and drum machines, and the compositions are entirely original.
Before you even respond to this, you might want to take a class on critical reasoning so that next time you don’t make such irrelevant arguments. Because you may not be seeing it yourself, but reading your posts makes me feel absolutely embarrassed for your lack of reasoning and I have a feeling a lot of others would feel the same way.
Have a nice day.