Ever been hit by a car? Was it your fault?

I myself have not, which I believe is entirely my fault. :slight_smile: Graveyards, after all, being stuffed with people who had the right of way.

IMHO, short of a car coming after you up on the sidewalk or otherwise actively hunting you down or bombing through a crowded intersection, it’s on the pedestrian. Streets aren’t stuffed with plush toys, kittens, and puppies–they’re stuffed with 1 ton+ rolling steel death boxes piloted by folks who are sometimes less than 100% attentive.

I am having trouble not poisoning the well with this post because this is one sort of situation I have never been able to wrap my head around–where pedestrians insist the car is at fault for running them over, and not their fault for getting themselves in front of a moving car.

So please, if you or someone you know has been hit by a car and you think it was all/mostly the driver’s fault, please provide some details about the incident and why you think the pedestrian was more victim than the driver. And here’s the hard part–I don’t care who had the right of way. I want to know why you felt it was prudent to trust someone else (a driver) with seeing to your safety.

I was hit by a car while bicycling to school in 7th grade. Six times.

The route to school went through a busy intersection controlled by four way stop signs. I made the foolish decision to ride only in daylight, in the flow of traffic, come to a complete stop, wait until it was my turn to proceed, signal my left turn, and proceed into the intersection. Where I got hit. On six separate occasions over the course of one semester. I was hit either by cars running the stop sign altogether or going out of turn.

So why did I proceed into the intersection and trust these other drivers? Even with so many hard hits to the pavement still far more than 99% of drivers did obey the rules of the road. In addition to going to school I would ride through that intersection almost any time I would leave the house. If I was going to be unwilling to be out on the road then I would need to resign myself to staying at home and never going to school? Maybe I would have looked at it differently if I was seriously injured.

We moved after that one semester so the carnage ceased. I continued to bicycle to my new school each morning and never had a problem again.

I once had someone, at a stop sign, wave for me to cross the street. Right when I was in front of their car (a Blazer maybe) they hit the gas. They weren’t going overly fast, but they pushed me probably 10 or 15 feet.
I mean, who knows, maybe they thought I was waiting and they weren’t watching, but it sure felt like it was on purpose.

In any case, that was probably 20 years ago and to this day I still get a little anxious when someone waves for me to walk in front of their car.

Legally, the pedestrian typically has the right of way. That is if they’re crossing the street, in a crosswalk etc etc. Personally, I don’t agree with that law. In my mind, as a driver I’ve got plenty of other things to pay attention to. Why add watching for a pedestrian to step in to the road to the list. Especially since so many of them seem to assume I can stop on a dime. Even worse, often times people don’t know why you’re slowing down/stopping and go tearing around you and by the time they get there, they’re face to face with the person crossing the street.

But, legally or not, IMO, since the car is going to win, the pedestrian really should stay out of the road until they can safely cross it without cars having to slow down for them. This goes for parking lots too. I’m not sure why so many people seem to think it’s a good idea to walk behind cars that are backing out and have no idea that they’re there. Just hold on for a few seconds so the driver can see you.
And, on a final note. Again, IMO, if the police are going to actively watch for, and ticket, cars that don’t stop for pedestrians in a cross walk, they should also be ticketing jaywalkers. If we’re going to make a big push for cars stopping, we need to also keep people crossing in predictable spots.

I have never been hit by a car. A couple of thoughts.

  1. I will acknowledge there are some circumstances that make it more easy to understand. On my college campus there were very few vehicles and many pedestrians. We tended to walk in the roads a lot. It got trickier when the college got new buses which had the engines in the back of the bus and they were much quieter. If you were not looking the first indication that they were near you would be the Woosh as the front of the bus pushed air past you.

  2. This board is very touchy about “victim blaming” as they think that blame is a zero sum game and if any blame is on the victim, that means the person who was really at fault is exonerated.

  3. Overall, I agree with you. Forget about right of way, fault, etc. When I step into the road, I consider it MY RESPONSIBILITY to make sure cars are not going to hit me. I do not rely upon them to see me. If they hit me, they can still be at fault. They can still be charged, but I will consider it some of my fault as well.

  4. This is why I do not ride a bike on the road. Riding a bike on the road means that you are constantly having to hope that vehicles will see you and act accordingly. My uncle was struck by a car and killed while riding a bike. So was an acquaintance of mine. I consider it a fools activity.

I was on my motorcycle when that scenario played out.

But as a pedestrian I got hit once back in college. I was crossing a street in Oakland (Pitt) in the crosswalk and an older driver (about the age I am now) didn’t judge his speed or something right and stopped about 5 feet beyond the crosswalk. I caught him out of the corner of my eye and did a defensive jump across his hood and fender and pretty much rolled off and into the street. This was right near the Student Union on Forbes and Campus Security pretty much swarmed the poor guy. I wasn’t hurt other than some scrapes and my clothes being typical college broke-assed hippy clothes hid the damage pretty well. Security insisted I go through the ER and get checked but basically it was “no harm, no foul” as far as I was concerned. Actually I felt bad for the driver and the way he got treated. I figure he lost more sleep and years from the whole thing than I did by a long shot.

I was about twelve years old, riding my bicycle. I was on the sidewalk, and I had stopped at a “T” intersection. I had been traveling on the left side of the main road (again, on the sidewalk), and was about to cross the “vertical” part of the “T”. A car was stopped there, waiting to turn right on red onto the main road. I had the green light, but I still pushed the button for the crosswalk signal, and was pleasantly surprised when it quickly gave me the “WALK” signal. I started to pedal forward. The driver of the stopped car had been looking to her left for cross traffic on the main road. Not seeing any, she began her right-turn-on-red (without first looking to her right, or in front of her), and knocked me off of my bike. She hadn’t built up more than a few MPH, so I wasn’t seriously injured, but it messed up my bike pretty good.

Funny followup: This was in the early '80s, so cell phones didn’t exist, and there wasn’t any payphone nearby to call the police. So she put my mangled bike in her trunk and drove me home, and gave me a fake name and phone number to contact her to pay for bike repair (hey, I was 12, I didn’t know better). She must have thought of the deception at the last second, because she used her real first name and a slightly fake last name (like “Laura Zawadtobe” instead of “Laura Zawadski”). When my parents came home at the end of the day, they called the police to report the deception - and by sheer coincidence the police dispatcher deduced from the fake name that the perp was a friend of hers, and put us in contact with her. After a severe tongue-lashing from my parents, she paid up.

Anyway, as regards who is at “fault”:
Roadway users are absolutely at fault when they violate the rules of right-of-way, defying the reasonable expectations that others form based on those rules. They should be made to pay fines, compensate victims, and serve prison sentences if necessary, based on the consequences to others from their violation.

That said, I get what you’re saying, and I cringe and shake my head at the amazing lack of self-preservation instinct exhibited by many pedestrians and bicyclists. If I could go back in time I would tell my 12YO self, “goddamit, LOOK at her face and make sure she sees you and stays STOPPED before you move out into the crosswalk.” As an adult some 30 years later, my head is on a swivel any time I’m walking in the street; I will not let them get me.

I would say the same to Sharita Williams, who was killed in Ann Arbor five years ago. She did almost everything right. She was crossing in a crosswalk, and she had activated the impossible-to-miss flashing yellow lights that tell approaching drivers “there may be a pedestrian in this crosswalk, and you are required by law to stop if there is one.” There were four driving lanes; she had crossed three lanes of stopped traffic, but as she entered the fourth lane, a speeding car failed to yield, and knocked the life out of her. The driver rightly served a multi-year prison sentence for that. I will never say Williams was at fault, but she had the most to lose that day, and the easiest action - simply looking upstream before entering that last lane - would have prevented her from losing it all.

Pedestrian/car collisions aren’t the only situation where this sort of thinking should apply. Example: when driving, you are legally allowed to hang out in another motorist’s blind spot, and they are legally at fault if they merge into you because they were too dumb to look over their shoulder before changing lanes. But you’re an idiot if you let them do that to you. Want to make it harder to get hit? move forward so you’re clearly in their field of view, or fall back so you’re out of their danger zone.

The car that hit me ran a red light and kept going. It was another teenaged girl, as I was at the time, although she didn’t go to my school and wasn’t someone I knew. Her parents got her to phone the police after she got home and told them what happened, but I don’t know what penalties she faced or if she was charged with hit and run; I was kind of busy being in the hospital.

NOT ACCUSING, just wanting more detail: were you on a bike or on your feet? Crossing the street or moving with traffic, crossing at a crosswalk, etc.? Mostly: what kept you from noticing and leaping out of the way of the car?

My daughter was hit by a car when she was 9. It was not the drivers fault and we didn’t sue or anything. Luckily, no permanent injuries.

On the other hand, I have represented several people who were hit by cars, involving catastrophic injuries and death. Some were in crosswalks. Some were at school bus stops. I do think drivers have responsibilities to obey the traffic rules and refrain from hitting pedestrians, especially in crosswalks. In most cases, however, there is usually something else going on, such as poor lighting, signage, or sight distance.

Walking, crossing in crosswalk on way home from school. I never saw the car that hit me–I just was suddenly three lanes over, lying on the Friendly’s lawn (it’s a restaurant kind of like Denny’s or Appleby’s), and my mom who was waiting there in the parking lot to pick me up was screaming and the ambulance was coming.

I am having trouble wrapping my head around your take on it as well. But I’m not sure what ‘bombing through an intersection’ means. Running a red light or stop sign? Or any case of hitting a pedestrian in a crosswalk? The latter is a lot of cases, not some wild exception akin to ‘actively hunting you down’, and seems to me that’s the pretty simple dividing line, in general, between driver’s fault and pedestrian’s fault.

I, and my dog, were hit by a car once. We were crossing a busy intersection, in the cross walk, with the light. A car turning left just somehow didn’t see us (presumably guy was on his phone or texting though wouldn’t admit it and I didn’t end up suing so the phone records weren’t examined), hit us at relatively low speed sending both of us flying, stopped before running over us. Bumps and bruises to both of us. His fault 100% unless it’s my fault to cross the street rather than stay home and out of the way of cars.

Maybe your point is about people hit by cars not in crosswalks? It’s not some naive ‘belief’ in pedestrian’s right of way in that case. It’s the law where I live and almost everywhere else AFAIK. And the split second you realize the person isn’t going to stop, it’s not easy to get out of the way, as you’ll find if it happens to you.

When I was in high school I was, very slow-motion, sideswiped by a cargo van. I was riding home from school and a van came up beside me and, I guess didn’t notice I was there. The driver then proceeded to park at the side of the road. The only problem was that I was between his van and the curb. As he got closer and closer I eventually was bumped and fell off the bike and onto the verge. I think he finally figured out what was going on because he then pulled out and drove away. I was too shaken up to do anything useful like get the license number or anything. All I knew was that it was a blue cargo van. It didn’t have any company logos on it or anything, so I assume it was a private vehicle.

I had no injuries and the bike was OK, so never reported it.

I was hit twice. The first time was in seventh grade when I tried to beat the light. I got most of the way across the intersection (in a crosswalk) but got nailed by a car in the right hand lane. It must not have needed to come to a stop because the light turned green. The poor driver thought she killed me.

The second time was in Tokyo and a taxi made an insane, unexpected move. There really wasn’t any way to avoid it.

Never post on the Dope while watching an interesting movie; I missed this part first time around.

I was in a crosswalk, it was full daylight, and the driver had a red light. So in terms of fault it really fell completely on the driver. Fortunately for him I was paying attention and reacted to his benefit; and I got a little lucky as well. A different time or a different place and he would have been on top of me. At the time (70s) there probably wouldn’t have been any criminal charges but the civil side could have been pretty bad for him. Me? I went from the ER to the rest of my classes and never thought about it much again except in terms of a “funny thing happened to me” sort of way. I never even bothered trying to get his name or anything from security.

I’ve never been hit but seen a few cases where I cannot in any way blame anyone but the driver 100%. One that comes to mind is pedestrian is crossing east side of intersection of two two-way streets in winter with walk light, no cross traffic. Pedestrian is crossing from south to north. Driver shows up from behind pedestrian to turn right, somehow completely oblivious to the pedestrian, makes his turn, notices pedestrian, slams brakes, slides because of snow and hits pedestrian. Luckily, he had slowed down to <5 mph and there were no terrible injuries that I could see, but I don’t see any way the pedestrian could be at fault here even 1%, unless you insist they have eyes on the back of their head.

And there are other times I’ve seen cars underestimate their traction and speed in weather and slide into pedestrians at stop signs, but I suspect you’re gonna hand wave those incidents away as being the pedestrians fault somehow.

An unjust assumption, you wound me. I do have my default opinions, which I limited to the OP solely for insight into why I’m asking, and what sort of information/anecdotes I’m looking for. But I’m interested in just listening here, and not judging or debating.

Yes. No.

I didn’t really think it was much of an assumption, given you stated you didn’t understand situations “where pedestrians insist the car is at fault for running them over, and not their fault for getting themselves in front of a moving car.”

But I do apologize if I misunderstood. Carry on with the rest of the OP.

I hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk many years ago. Fortunately, a cop saw everything. I had a green light and didn’t see the old guy till he rolled across the hood of my car. The old guy was bruised but okay, I was a mess. After checking my license, the officer let me know it wasn’t my fault and if I wanted to go after the old guy for the damage to my car, I could pick up his accident report in a few days. I decided to just go on my way and not do anything.

A productive hijack, actually, because I doubt you’re the only one looking sideways at me–you’re just saying something. I admit to having a default opinion on these matters, which I suspect to be based partly in experience and partly in ignorance. I’m seeking other perspectives to maybe pry my mind open a bit more. Which is why I’m mostly keeping my opinions to myself. “Seek first to understand…” and all that.