Ever seen a miracle or other supernatural thing?

Nitpick. Acts 2:4 says the disciples were actually speaking those tongues. Still presented as miracle, but let’s at least get the basic account as it was written. Otherwise, any credibility you may wish to have here is gone (if not already).

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Yes, when my little angel came down from heaven through my wife’s vagina.

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In the supernatural realm.

In my high school years two things happened at about the same time. My good friend moved to the other end of the state. And my beloved cat of many years died.

Not too long after that, I was fitfully sleeping. At one point I felt pressure on my legs. In my sleeply mind I thought “awww…my cats come to sleep at my feet”. A bit later it became “oh shit, the cats dead! What the hell is THAT on my blanket above my legs?!”. We had a rats in the attic problem at the time, so that became an obvious answer. Now, fully awake, I laid there in terror quite aware of the pressure on the blanket above my legs. Eventually, I had the nerve to leap up and turn on the lights expecting epic battle. Upon doing so, there was nothing there.

Okay, that was strange and terrifying. No rat, maybe the ghost of the cat?

The next morning my recently displaced friend calls. Seems that at about the same time this event happened to me something rather strange happened to him. Some neighborhood ferret had escaped, entered their house, and got on the end of his bed to sleep. He thought it was his cat (and he didnt like the cats on his bed), so he tried to push it off with his foot. Well, that particular ferret didnt like it and attacked him.

Real story honest to og.

One could say the same about religion.

You could say it about faith and spirituality, but religion is a set of rules and rituals, so no you could not.

Best description of a miracle ever.

Why not? A phenomenon is described by somebody and more and more people, as they listen to what they should see, whether as Marianists or fans of The Emperor’s New Clothes, suddenly start to see it, but NOBODY ELSE ON EARTH NOTICES THAT THE FREAKIN’ SUN HAS BEGUN TO DANCE AROUND THE SKY, how is it different. And kindly don’t give me that totally-lame excuse that “maybe because the miracle was intended to be viewed by people only within a certain radius?” Either the Sun miraculously danced around the sky or it didn’t. Anything in between is an optical illusion.

What you have described is illusion. “and arrange things that each person doesn’t know what is going on with the other.” This is a distortion of perception, which is pretty much the definition of illusion. Which is exactly what I said it had to be.

No, a illusion 1: follows the physical laws 2: have logical explanations 3: Only have a single true reality.

Miracles do not have to follow any of those rules.

Would it then be correct to say that there have been many miracles in the world, and that there have been zero miracles in the world? That through miracles great and good things have been done, and through miracles horrifying and evil things have been done?

To those that have posted miracles: www.whywon’tgothealamputees.com People say prayers are answered and miracles happen all the time. But the events either can’t be corrobarated or are things that could have happened without supernatural intervention. Back pain going away? You don’t need God for that to happen. Now if an amputee miraculously grew back a limb… now that would be something.

I don’t know if it could be said that zero, but it is possible, but many and few I’d go along without any issue.

I’m not sure I’d go along with this. Miracles is the glory of God displayed on earth. They are a direct act of God, and therefor has to be good. Though one comes to mind, the withering of the fig tree, which seems more like Jesus in the flesh caused it to wither and die, then again the promise that ‘all things are working for the good’ would mean that even that would work for the good. As for the OT miracles, 1 Yes I believe every one was ‘good’, 2 The understanding of OT is only by God’s revelation and conventional wisdom of it is mostly incorrect.

I’ve heard what may be a prophetic utterance that it doesn’t happen because people are looking at God as a healer, instead of the creator, so He is just healing. I do expect to see such things as limbs restored by our Creator God, done in the name of Jesus, in my life.

That sounds like a rule - and you said miracles aren’t bound by rules. :confused:

If miracles do not follow logic, by what method that does not involve logic do you deduce this?

Then it is inaccurate to say that they do not follow logic, or any rules. “That which is a direct act by God must be good” is a rule. That miracles fulfil that premise requires logic. The very word “therefore” implies that there is a logical proceeding; A, therefore B. Without logic, A can be B, C, D, all, and none, all at once. Without logic, miracles can be both bad and good, saintly or terrible, or all, or none.

Where did you find these?

What does the bolded part mean? Surely Christians look at God as the creator? Are you saying that God will only heal amputees when everyone (or a sufficient number of people) acknowledges God as the creator?

I have seen a miracle (at least according to the criteria given in the OP) which I see every day and so does every other sighted person on earth. Even though we know for a scientific fact that the earth moves around the sun (primarily), I perceive the earth as entirely stationary and I see the sun actually moving!!! From one side of the sky to the other!!! As if the sun actually moved AROUND the earth!!! Now come on, tell me that others didn’t see this too, I challenge you!

I don’t see that every day. Sometimes it’s cloudy.

(OMG the sun disappears its a miracle!)

Not at all. The sun could be the one moving.

Of course, with no agreed-upon frame of reference, it’s meaningless to say that one is moving and the other is standing still. But what I mean by “the sun is the one that’s moving,” is that the frame of reference is the solar plane. The planets continue to move in their orbits in the solar plane, while the sun dances around like Larry Craig after a nice bathroom break.

Why? Perhaps it did disturb Mercury’s orbit. Perhaps Mercury’s current obit is the result of that long-ago disturbance, and it was different before.

The comparison to the moon was to show the miniscule effect that the Sun’s gravyity would have on our geologic stability in the short term by pointing out that the Moon’s influence on tides is twice as strong as the sun’s.