Ever work real hard at something but not improve?

I had serious problems with math as a kid in school (although in all other subjects I was an A student until I hit my sophomore year in HS and simply stopped making any more effort than necessary to pass so I wouldn’t be held back), no matter how hard I tried. I didn’t go to college immediately upon HS graduation – didn’t want to. Not then, anyway. However:

When I was 29 I decided I DID want to go to college, and a university near where I live had not only the major program I wanted, but also a college entry program for adults over 25 who’d either started but not finished college, but also for those who had never gone, nor even taken SAT’s. Having fallen into the latter category, I signed up. In lieu of the SAT I had to take a state basic skills test in mathematics and English. I wasn’t at all surprised when I aced the English part with flying colors. However, on account of my dismal performance on the mathematics section (on top of being bad in math as a kid in school, the only math I’d done at all since HS graduation was checkbook math with a calculator, LOL), as a condition of the entry program, if I wanted to fully matriculate at the university, I would be required to take not one, but TWO, remedial math courses to get my math skills up to college level speed. I took them.

The first week of the first of these courses, I found myself totally astounded not only to recognize the material the teacher was lecturing about and writing on the board, but that also it MADE SENSE to me (it didn’t when I was a kid)! In a few more weeks, not only was it continuing to stick in my brain, but I was actually ENJOYING IT. I wound up acing both this and the second remedial math course, and as to the college level math I had to take when I was matriculated, I ended up with an A in college algebra, an A in precalculus and a B+ in calculus (while working 45-60 hours a week, taking a chemistry and a history course, both of which I got As in and having had a migraine induced stroke towards the end of that semester).

But even with all that, I STILL can NOT do math in my HEAD all that well – other than very simple addition, subtraction and a minimum of multiplication, I GOTTA have that pencil and paper at the very least.

Now for the thing I was never able to do at ALL: Drawing. I’m sure that everyone reading this is familiar with the appearance of preschool and kindergarten children’s drawings that their parents hang on the refrigerators, right? MY drawings never progressed much beyond that, even though I spent many hours throughout my childhood and adolescence drawing (or should I say, trying to, ha ha). My best friend also liked to draw, and SHE got so good she could and did sit down in the park with her sketch pad and draw the trees, or people, or horses (her specialty) etc. and they looked exactly like trees, people and horses. I kept plugging until I was in my late teens, but nothing I drew EVER looked like what it was supposed to look like.

I got disgusted finally, gave up drawing entirely and resigned myself to the fact that while I can certainly APPRECIATE it, I had no talent whatsoever for any kind of visual art (note: in school art classes through the years, my sculptures, papier mache and my paintings were as bad or worse than my drawings). To salvage my feelings of inadequacy, I consoled myself with the fact that I was an excellent musician/composer (I started piano at 4, took classical lessons for several years, then took up the guitar when I was 14; ultimately ended up as a damn good pianist/synthesist/12-string guitarist) who also had writing talent – which after the stroke that destroyed my ability to play my instruments, I escaped into and continue to enjoy.

But drawing? Whatever it takes, I just don’t have it. Never did, and never will.

I took giutar lesosns for about three years and reached a definite plateau after about one and a half. It just wasn’t going anywhere for me…

Maybe if I had had a different teacher or really, really devoted myself to playing I could have broken through my plateau.

I horseback ride competitively. I am not what you’d call a natural rider. I’ve been riding since I was 10 (I’m 27) and it’s fair to say that I know 14 year olds who are way better riders than me. I have issues I have been working on for a year and more with little improvement. Yet looking at the big picture, I am imporving over all. I take a lesson every other week and wish I could afford more.

One thing about your story Dinsdale rang a bell for me. Many times you do not get any better practicing without correction. Instead of thinking “practice makes perfect” think “perfect practice makes perfect” Incorrect practice just makes incorrect habits.

Many times learning a new skill shakes you out of your comfort zone, so that for a time you do worse than you had done before the new skill was aquired.

I don’t know a whole heck of a lot about golf (except those greens are awfully nice to gallop on!). But I do think it is common, typical even, to plateau in skills and need an extra push from an instructor to break free of the plateau.

I have never been all that great at riding and I will never be in contention for a spot on the Olyympic team. But I enjoy it so I just keep chipping away. An old coach of mine (and my current coach concurs) said that riders who are not “naturals” often stick with it, because they know that working hard is part of playing the game. Whereas many times, when something comes easy to a person, the person gives up at the first challenge they can’t overcome on natural talent.

I know how this goes. I swim and swam when I was in High School. I didn’t in college cause the coach was a prick. I came back to it two years ago after ten years off. I can not break a 0:27 yard 50 free. I have been swimming the same time for 12 years now. I swim more and better now then I did back in HS and even more so then two years ago. I have been swimming the 27 even when I was out of shape.

That said though, my 100s and 200 have been coming down nicely.

Bydlim v Ceska Republika uz sedm rok. Muzu conversovat s detmi maji dva, mozna tri roky. Studoval jsem s ucitelem tri rok a pul. Je hrozny.

Which loosely translates with large grammatical errors to “I’ve lived in the Czech Republic for 7 years. I can converse with children who are two, maybe three years old. I studied with a teacher for three and a half years. It’s horrible.”

My brain is not wired for languages. I make the biggest, silliest mistakes imaginable after living here for 7 years. I have a hard time ordering food at a deli properly. I normally revert to the point and grunt school of communication. Ugh. I disgust me sometimes.

I find that I quickly find plateaus. I love to do different hobbies all the time. Something new, something different! Then I’ll rush to a level of semi-proficiency in a short time, but then never really improve beyond that. Then I soon lose interest and go onto a new hobby.

I’m also not that good at martial arts (although I am opinionated about them). I was friends with people who were REALLY good, so I would train with them. That meant that I got good at the basic things that work and know about the advanced concepts. But the little things and the hard work? Unfortunatly no. I only have time to go to class once a week, and sometimes I don’t have time for that. So for every year of effort I put in, someone who goes more regularly achieves the same goal in three months. Or, otherwise put, after four years of kickboxing, I think I’m about as good as someone who’s studied for about a year. And as more experienced martial artists know, the more you learn, the more you realize what you don’t know. Well, after 15 years of off and on martial arts I know I suck. But I still do it. It sure beats jogging for keeping in shape.

I feel your frustration, I truly do.

-Tcat

What I found kinda frustrating at times training MA was that even tho I was improving, all the other guys I was training with were improving as well and at about the same rate as me, so it was easy to feel as tho I wasn’t really getting anywhere.

Course in your case … (says the old man who just dragged his arthritic body back in from a 4 mile jog.)

Making something of my life? :smiley: