Evergreen State College

This is not about Rachel Corrie, but it was her death that spurred this question.

I have my opinions and ideas about this school, but I’d like to get some real information, the straight dope. I’ve heard that grades are not given, and that you can pretty much make your own major. It’s regarded as a sort of “hippie” school. I’ve personally known two people who went there, and both were daughters of wealthy parents, smart but kind of aimless. They wanted to be “activists” when they graduated.

So, what’s the scoop? Any students or graduates here? What sort of degree programs do they have? Is it co-ed? Who are some alumni that I might recognize?

I think Michael Richards from Seinfeld went there.
And I know my uncle went there. His family isn’t rich, but they do lean to the left, and he is most definitely an activist.

Whether it’s a “hippie school” is subjective, but yes it is an incredibly liberal place. You are correct, there are no letter grades. Instead,

That comes from this part of their website, which also lists all of the programs you can major in. It looks like there’s a big emphasis on interdisciplinary studies, so these focuses are probably unlike typical majors at other institutions.

The most famous alum is probably Matt Groening, you may have heard of him.
Also,
Lynda Barry
Michael Richards
Not to mention, our very own Geoduck

Here is Evergreen’s homepage.

From what I understand, there are evaluations (written ones) which according to some students are far more reflective of actual performance than letter grades. The school seems to work really well for some students and less so for others. It is coed.

Hampshire College (www.hampshire.edu) is a similar institution on the east coast.

My alma mater, New College,

which is in Sarasota, Florida is also a similar sort of place (and, incidentally, has a very good academic reputation).

Matt Groening
Ralph Bakshi

My brother graduated from there. I went his graduation. Matt Groening gave the commencement address. I met him the night before in a seedy little beer joint.
Ralph Bakshi rules!
I suspected that RC was from there when I heard that she was a college student from WA.

ps
My brother posts here on occasion.

Oh hi. This contains a mix of fact and opinion so we’ll see where it ends up.

Yep, I graduated from Evergreen in the 70s along with all those now-famous folks. They were really funny then too. Anyway, Evergreen has always been a very liberal environment, but it is also an excellent school. US News, for what it’s worth, has always ranked the place very highly.

I believe you still earn a general BS or a BA, plus there are a few graduate programs. Instead of grades, you compile a portfolio which has a history of evaluations and work summaries. The evaluations are performed by one’s self and the instructor(s) and compare your performance with your original goals. If you don’t meet the goals, you don’t get full credit. It is a very serious and legit approach–and I have never heard of any grad school that had problems with it.

To succeed at Evergreen requires a lot of self-discipline.

The good things about Evergreen:
-instructors focus on teaching, not research, though a surprisingly large amount of good research goes on
-multidisciplinary approach to study–subjects are not broken down into neat little categories, but rather examined from a consuming science+art+religion perspective.
-great opportunities for self-directed work. You can do individual contracts with faculty, internships, traditional classes, research if you have a vision and executable plan. Great way to grow into an adult.
-Focus is on learning, not sports, though team sports do exist.
-instructors are very high quality.
-the physical environment on Puget Sound with a “natural” beach and lots of forest is terrific. Olympia is an attractive little city that as a capital offers a fairly sophisticated population. Seattle is 60 miles north, Tacoma 35, the Olympic mountains an hour, the ocean maybe 2, Mt. Rainier under 2. Not bad.
-lots of current, trendy politics, anti-/non-fashions, organic lifestyle elements.

The not so good things about Evergreen:
-lots of current, trendy politics, anti-/non-fashions, organic lifestyle elements. The politically correct stuff (and we called it that in '77) can be maddening for a reasonably intelligent person. I still am peeved that they had Mumia as a commencement speaker via long distance, when his victim’s widow is in the audience.
-the graduate programs are fairly limited in number and only Masters-level degrees are offered (Evergreen is not a university)
-some students never graduate and I bet a few of my fellow ‘greeners are still there gettin’ high in their rainbow hats.
-the place can be a little too smug about itself
-you have a lot of trust-fund kids mouthing socialist worker babble
-not being a university, there are some limits to tools and learning resources
-when I was there, there was a distinct feeling that it was uncool to be involved in a heterosexual romance. In retrospect it must have been a miracle that my wife of 20 years and I met there.

I have heard that the person responsible for TESC (The Evergreen State School) was a libertarian republican politician who got it started and supported it during his lifetime. Later he became president of the college and kept it afloat despite the fact that many people didn’t like the hippies (to simplify a bit) going there.

I should look into this, but I haven’t yet. Perhaps someone can confirm this or perhaps I will look into it and report back.

You are partially correct. Dan Evans was an innovative, moderate-to liberal Republican governor of Washington who started TESC in 69-70. After he left office, Evergreen went through several difficult years politically. There were plans floating in the legislature to turn the campus into a prison and other entities.
The newcomer hippies didn’t mix all that well with the native loggers and politicians in Olympia. But, the school didn’t serve the state all that well then either. When I was there, there were only three kids straight out of high school on campus. Most everyone else were older adults (. . .) and out-of-staters like me who could not afford Antioch and other private schools.
So Dan, very popular and still considered one of the state’s best governors ever, stepped in as TESC president for a few key years. Great political buffer. One excellent change was to make the study tracks user friendly and a bit more structured–helped get more kids on campus.

Interestingly, my alma mater, New College, although similar to Evergreen in many ways, is different in some ways. All the following (quoting from Geoduck) are also true of New College:

> -instructors focus on teaching, not research, though a
> surprisingly large amount of good research goes on

Yes.

> -multidisciplinary approach to study–subjects are not broken
> down into neat little categories, but rather examined from a
> consuming science+art+religion perspective.

Yes, sort of. If you wanted to do an interdisciplinary independent study project, you went to the appropriate faculty member and set it up. Perhaps there wasn’t as much of faculty setting up interdisciplinary courses by themselves without student input.

> -great opportunities for self-directed work. You can do
> individual contracts with faculty, internships, traditional classes,
> research if you have a vision and executable plan. Great way to
> grow into an adult.

Yes.

> -Focus is on learning, not sports, though team sports do exist.

Zero intercollegiate sports at New College. Some sports on a casual level within the college itself, but not on a very organized basis and not in general continuing from year to year. In December 1971, I and some other people who had been playing Ultimate Frisbee casually drove up to Eckerd College in St. Petersburg and challenged them to a game. This might count as the first ever intercollegiate Ultimate Frisbee game except that there were New College students and Eckerd College students and nonstudent hanger-ons on both teams.

> -instructors are very high quality.

Yes.

> -the physical environment

Yes.

> -lots of current, trendy politics, anti-/non-fashions, organic
> lifestyle elements.

Yes. There was never any feeling that you were forced into any political system at New College. And, bizarrely, the only two polticians with any sort of national recognition who graduated from New College are a Republican representative from Florida and the head of the Republican party in New Hampshire.

> -the graduate programs are fairly limited in number and only
> Masters-level degrees are offered (Evergreen is not a
> university)

No graduate programs at all.

> -some students never graduate and I bet a few of my
> fellow ‘greeners are still there gettin’ high in their rainbow hats.

Yes, although my observation is that nearly all the people who smoked a fair amount of dope at New College now say, “I just don’t have time for that anymore.”

> -the place can be a little too smug about itself

Yeah, sort of.

> -you have a lot of trust-fund kids mouthing socialist worker
> babble

Some trust-fund kids, some socialist worker babble. I grew up in a struggling working-class family myself, so there was lots of variation.

> -not being a university, there are some limits to tools and
> learning resources

Yes.

> -when I was there, there was a distinct feeling that it was
> uncool to be involved in a heterosexual romance. In retrospect
> it must have been a miracle that my wife of 20 years and I met
> there.

Well, sort of. There was certainly a lot of sleeping around. There were also many romances that lasted.

But the interesting thing is that New College didn’t produce any famous, oddball, off-the-wall artistic types like Matt Groening, Lynda Barry, Michael Richards, or Ralph Bakshi. Yes, a sprinkling of minor artistic types, but none as famous as that. (There have only been about 4,000 graduates from New College since it opened in 1964.) Despite its hippy-dippy image, New College is a very academically selective place and a place where you learned to study on your own.

What New College produces more than just about any other college in the U.S. is Ph.D’s. It has nearly the highest proportion of graduates who later get Ph.D.'s of any college in the U.S. When I go through my mental list of famous graduates of New College, it’s not easy to explain who any of them are: A winner of the Fields medal (sort of the Nobel prize in math), a congressman, a chairman of a big company.

Interestingly, my alma mater, New College, although similar to Evergreen in many ways, is different in some ways. All the following (quoting from Geoduck) are also true of New College:

> -instructors focus on teaching, not research, though a
> surprisingly large amount of good research goes on

Yes.

> -multidisciplinary approach to study–subjects are not broken
> down into neat little categories, but rather examined from a
> consuming science+art+religion perspective.

Yes, sort of. If you wanted to do an interdisciplinary independent study project, you went to the appropriate faculty member and set it up. Perhaps there wasn’t as much of faculty setting up interdisciplinary courses by themselves without student input.

> -great opportunities for self-directed work. You can do
> individual contracts with faculty, internships, traditional classes,
> research if you have a vision and executable plan. Great way to
> grow into an adult.

Yes.

> -Focus is on learning, not sports, though team sports do exist.

Zero intercollegiate sports at New College. Some sports on a casual level within the college itself, but not on a very organized basis and not in general continuing from year to year. In December 1971, I and some other people who had been playing Ultimate Frisbee casually drove up to Eckerd College in St. Petersburg and challenged them to a game. This might count as the first ever intercollegiate Ultimate Frisbee game except that there were New College students and Eckerd College students and nonstudent hanger-ons on both teams.

> -instructors are very high quality.

Yes.

> -the physical environment

Yes.

> -lots of current, trendy politics, anti-/non-fashions, organic
> lifestyle elements.

Yes. There was never any feeling that you were forced into any political system at New College. And, bizarrely, the only two polticians with any sort of national recognition who graduated from New College are a Republican representative from Florida and the head of the Republican party in New Hampshire.

> -the graduate programs are fairly limited in number and only
> Masters-level degrees are offered (Evergreen is not a
> university)

No graduate programs at all.

> -some students never graduate and I bet a few of my
> fellow ‘greeners are still there gettin’ high in their rainbow hats.

Yes, although my observation is that nearly all the people who smoked a fair amount of dope at New College now say, “I just don’t have time for that anymore.”

> -the place can be a little too smug about itself

Yeah, sort of.

> -you have a lot of trust-fund kids mouthing socialist worker
> babble

Some trust-fund kids, some socialist worker babble. I grew up in a struggling working-class family myself, so there was lots of variation.

> -not being a university, there are some limits to tools and
> learning resources

Yes.

> -when I was there, there was a distinct feeling that it was
> uncool to be involved in a heterosexual romance. In retrospect
> it must have been a miracle that my wife of 20 years and I met
> there.

Well, sort of. There was certainly a lot of sleeping around. There were also many romances that lasted.

But the interesting thing is that New College didn’t produce any famous, oddball, off-the-wall artistic types like Matt Groening, Lynda Barry, Michael Richards, or Ralph Bakshi. Yes, a sprinkling of minor artistic types, but none as famous as that. (There have only been about 4,000 graduates from New College since it opened in 1964.) Despite its hippy-dippy image, New College is a very academically selective place and a place where you learned to study on your own.

What New College produces more than just about any other college in the U.S. is Ph.D’s. It has nearly the highest proportion of graduates who later get Ph.D.'s of any college in the U.S. When I go through my mental list of famous graduates of New College, it’s not easy to explain who any of them are: A winner of the Fields medal (sort of the Nobel prize in math), a congressman, a chairman of a big company.

I grew up in Olympia and hung out frequently with Greeners on and off campus, though I never actually attended the school. The comments about “high quality education vs. sometimes annoying far-left smugness” strike me as being accurate.

This, of course, is true for any school, whether it’s a hippy-dippy college or a military academy. You get out of it what you put into it.

My alma mater, SUNY at Old Westbury, was once that kind of college, but it has become more traditional with every passing year.