Evil Captor is living up to his name

The BBQ Pit
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This is the first time I’ve ever pitted someone, so let me go at it.

In Great Debates, we were having a fairly civil debate about abortion (yes, another one, this one at least started out on a different side of the topic before it got derailed).

Then Evil Captor decides he (she?) knows what I’m thinking better than I do, even though we’ve never met. He tells me my motivation for being pro-life:

So, Evil Captor who knows what is in my subconscious, doesn’t even recognaize that I was the original poster. I ask for a retraction and get this insted.

Next I point out that completely unsupported accusations are frowned on in GD. Then I get this:

Now, PLEASE let’s not let this pitting sink into Yet Another Abortion Debate.

It’s about Evil Captor assuming he knows my motivations and subconscious thoughts.

It’s about making unsubstanciated accusations.

It’s about refusing to retract or appologise for being an ass.

As for me and my motivation, as I stated in the OP, I’m generally pro-life, but I have some mixed feelings and uncertainty.

I grew up in a VERY pro-choice house and my mother was a clinic escort at PP. I even participated in pro-choice rallies in college.

So I know very well the pro-choice point of view.

And I know the difficulties of the situation too. I’ve been there.

I WAS that woman that is so often theoretically talked about. I found myself pregnant, unmarried and without a job. My boyfriend heard I was pregnant and decided an extended trip to the outer banks of Tahiti was in order.

I’ve walked in those shoes.

So don’t you dare tell me I subconsciously want to control women and cackle over their swollen joints.

'Taint true.

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Sorry, here’s the link. (page 5)

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I think it’s pretty shocking that people can, time after time, reduce a complicated and controversial issue like this one into such black-and-white terms; and pretty ridiculous terms they are too! How anyone can claim to know ANYTHING about anyone’s subconcious on the basis of their opinion on one moral issue is just absurd. At best they’re ignorant; at worst they’re a half-assed fuckwit.

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I have to agree, for reasons that have nothing to do with abortion. As soon as the word “subconscious” comes up in an argument, the bullshit factor goes up a few orders of magnitude.

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One vote for a half-assed fuckwit!

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I should clarify, before someone lays into me (this IS the pit after all); I know nothing about abortion, never had any experience dealing with the issue or anything. My point is directed towards the nature of the argument Evil Captor is using NOT his stance on the issue.

Cheers,
DC

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Add my vote as well…with a caveat. There is another poster in that thread doing essentially the same thing (broad sweeping generalizations about the motivations and mindsets behind an opinion). The identity of said poster is left as a mental exercise ;).

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Yes, but she didn’t start with her mind-reading into the motivations of others until after I started this Pit thread.

But yes, they are two of a kind.

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Autz, for what it’s worth - and I think you already know this, since you were referring to a “civil” debate - most pro-choice people aren’t like Evil Captor. I’m pro-choice, but I accept that even though I disagree with you on this issue, you have valid, logical reasons that can be used to shape a compelling argument based on reason. I, and most other pro-choicers, can respect someone who disagrees with us, and appreciate a good argument.

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What a very composed and civil pit thread! And there was me, all gee’d up and ready to deal out fire and brimstone :wink:

Maybe if the accused were to pay a visit…sharpens claws in anticipation

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The Accused subconsciously knows that would be a dire mistake.
I think The Accused has seen Rosemary’s Baby one too many times.

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[Eminem]Will the psychic pro-choicer pease stand up[/Eminem]

:cool:

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I acknowledge that I’m speaking from a pro-life slant but it always seems like the pro-choice is the first to resort to ad hom attacks and mischaracterisations (ftr I feel ‘anti-choice’ is ad hom). I’ve given up trying to reason against their prejudices and just agree.

“Yeah, I admit it. I’m a misogynist. I’m scum. I hate women and love making them suffer. In fact, I’m a serial killer, who preys on innocent women and I’m trying to instigate the worlds first gender holocaust. Now how in the fuck does that change in any way the truth value of what I, as a pro-lifer, have been arguing?”

Once the clowns realise that ad hom attacks and mischaracterisations can’t win the argument they usually try debating rationally or give up.

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Ben Hicks

I can’t agree. That is painting pro-choicers with the same broad brush that I’m having a hissy fit about in the OP.

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Not really, I was only targeting the above remark at people like Evil Captor. There are a couple of pro-choicers on this board who I have a lot of respect for (but I won’t name them 'cos it’ll just make them big headed :wink: )

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I don’t agree either, Ben Hicks. Extremist pro-lifers are often ready with epithets like “Murderer!”

I am pro-life. I am convinced that an abortion ends a human life. But it’s also clear to me that many of the people that choose abortion are struggling as best they can to find a good solution to what they see as a terrible problem. They don’t believe it’s murder. They deserve support, compassion, and both moral and material assistance.

And for what it’s worth, I deny the subconscious motives described by the target of the OP. The issue is not controlling a woman - it’s avoiding the death of a person. I recognize the terrible burden an unwanted pregnancy places on a woman… but I balance it against the loss of an innocent life, and the life wins out.

Of course, good, honest people striving to do the right thing may reach an opposite conclusion. It’s what makes this issue so frustrating and tragic: there are no demons or evil overlords in the ranks of the other side - just people trying to do right.

Er… possibly excepting Evil Captor.

  • Rick
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autz,
I have terrible news for you, but subconsciously you admire Evil Captor and this thread is just a desperate cry for attention from him.

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Abortion is a very big issue, and a very emotional one, and there are fuckwits on all sides. Anyone who tells you (over the internet, for chrissakes! They don’t even know you!) that they know your subconscious motivations is a total fuckwit. It’s like saying that all pro-choice people subconsciously hate children. And not having the grace to say that they were talking out of their ass in the heat of the moment (which we all do, me especially) makes them a double-decker fuckwit.

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fuckwit; such a fun and vaguely satisfying word :smiley:

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Bricker - I totally agree that extremist pro-lifers are no better but it is just an observation of mine, having participated in quite a few abortion threads on these boards and read a great many more, that if there are any extremist pro-lifers on the boards then they are, for the most part, keeping their mouths shut or at least hiding their venom. There are some pro-choicers, on the other hand (catsix, candida, Otto and now Evil Captor spring to mind off the top of my head) who are positively blase in their use of the ‘anti-choice’ epithet.