Evil Captor is living up to his name

I accept that pro-lifers in general do not wish harm on the woman, or to control her.

I accept that they may even have a moral high-ground absolute in the abortion-is-killing thing.

I do not accept that the pro-life position would be workable or safe in law, because abortion - legal or otherwise - is as ancient and unavoidable as prostitution, drug abuse, suicide. Jail is no realistic deterrent, nor a suitable solution.

I also do not accept that everyone believes a foetus is a child, or even has the same rights as a child.

Therefore my position is pro-choice.

Haven’t heard from Evil in a while…

You’re takin’ quite a bit of heat here yourself, E.C.

If you aren’t qualified to do it, then it’s not the best debating style to try it.

But I’m not trying to psychoanalyze anyone long-distance.

There is not one shred of scientific proof for the existence of a subconscious mind as Freud postulated it. In fact, Freud perfected his “theory” by moving everything into the realm of the unprovable – hence never disprovable. That is the definition of a pseudo-science.
Or if you have any scientific proof validating Freud’s concept of the subconscious, post it here, or start a GD thread.

There is neither baby nor bathwater – just hogwash.

I agree. Not everyone who disagrees with me is evil. Many are simply wrong.

This is an attempt to change the subject of debate away from a discussion of the rationale of abortion, to a discussion of the motives of one side.

The OP was actually about something other than the rationale of abortion – a “what if” scenario about its effects on society – which I addressed. But it’s very hard to keep abortion discussions from sinking into the ritual black hole.

Which is problematic, because you have no information about those motives (beyond a quick scan of their posts which ignores the rational basis for their position), as well as no expertise in any related field, no personal experience of any poster or his motives IRL, and a demonstrated willingness to ignore rational argument in favor of personal attack.

I have every right to make inferences about posters’ motives based on their posts, or people’s mental sets based on their beliefs. I can’t do so with any authority as a psychologist, but I have made no such claim.

If there’s some rule on the SD board about not making inferences, please point it out to me, I’d be ever so pleased to see it.

No one on this thread or the other has made reference to a desire to force women’s choices as regards birth control.

Umm, if you’re opposing a woman’s ability to get an abortion, you’re opposing her ability to make choices in the matter. An inference, I admit, but a logically sound one. That’s control. (That’s not even an inference, just a statement of fact.)

Nonetheless, your magic insight into the thought processes of people you have never met allows you to judge that this is what they are really thinking. So you can now attack a position no one has taken, based on an assumption you have not proven, supported by evidence which you have not supplied.

Nah, you just don’t want to accept my inferences. That’s OK. I support your right to be wrong.

Which, as has been pointed out, is a game any number may play. If abortion opponents can be judged as control freaks, because they argue against abortion, certainly abortion proponents are equally likely to be motivated by subconscious lesbian urges. Since they secretly desire lesbian sex, they subconsciously reject the normal outcome of heterosexual relations, and wish for the destruction of pregnancy. Or they have severe father issues, and want to bring an end to the nuclear family which failed to protect them from abuse which they cannot consciously remember. Or they just hate people, and want to target the innocent for death.

That’s very true. You can make such inferences. But I don’t think many people will take them seriously. It’s not what you infer, it’s how well you “connect the dots” or draw out the links in your inference so that others may say, “That makes sense” or “That doesn’t make sense.”

Evidence? Why do you need evidence? It is pretty clear from their posts, wouldn’t you agree?

You can and should use evidence if you’ve got any. But a logical argument can stand on its own without cites. Ask any philosopher.

I support your right to be wrong.

This coming from someone who said he wanted a debate? Pu-leeeze! I’m done even trying to have a reasonable dialogue with you. You bore me with your inability to see that any of the opinions posted here that differs with your own can have any merit.

It is your behaviour, coupled with your rather sweeping generalisations, that mean that you suck at this.

You agree that those who disagree with you are sick control freaks?

Um, horseshit. Opposing abortion does not equate to opposing birth control. Your assertion that it does is logically unproven, and you have provided no indication that anyone in the thread opposes birth control.

Abortion != birth control. Therefore, you are not making an inference, you are making an unproven accusation. Which is exactly what I said you were doing.

green_dragon is right - you have no idea how to construct a logical argument.

Ridiculous.

Regards,
Shodan

So, people who disagree with you are either evil or wrong. It must be fabulous being infallable like that.

Evil, your credibility is shot.

It was shot a long time ago - right about the time this thread was started.

I’m losing count here then. The pro choice folks who think Evil Captor ain’t exactly the cats pajamas …are they evil, wrong, sellouts or some other as yet un-named category?

I’m trying to keep my scorecard current.