Agreed! I have always held that the two ideas don’t have to contradict at all. If one believes and accepts that God is the Creator, and is omnipotent and omniscient, then doesn’t it also stand to reason that He could certainly decide to create things over a long period of time if He darn well pleases!
I feel the God created Man and Woman and the Animals. I do not believe that Natural Selection should be put in the same classification as creationism because it’s common sense. The weakest Animals will die out. I also believe that Animals do not change species. if you isolate a species for thousands of years, it will not evolve into others, that’s what I believe, anyhow
*Originally posted by glee * 1. Which Christian doctrine does evolution contradict?
I believe (and correct me if I’m wrong, Soup_de_jour) this is referring to the literal interpretation of the Bible that the Earth was created in 6 days. Not quite enough time for millions of years for the Earth to develop into what it is today.
2. Do you know what evolution is?
Sure, that’s what’s causing Homo sapiens to turn into Homo suprior. (I just watched the X-Men movie last night)
**3. The Earth is flying through space. **
I think he means randomly through space, and not orbiting the sun. (At least I hope that’s what he menas. I’d hate to think he’s a member of the Flat-Earth society or something.)
But in keeping with the OP, I don’t see why they need to contradict. As a Christian, I don’t see why the Bible is taken literally by so many people. The Bible is a book, books are written using metaphor and symbolism (check out Revelation - no one interprets that literally). As long as we can accept the idea that some things in the Bible are symbolic, the accaptance of many scientific findings is so much easier.
The word “day” does not necessarily mean a 24-hr period anyway. How many times have we heard the expression “in my day” - who thinks that expression means one exact 24 hour day?
IMO, I don’t see why these lines of thought have to be separated (to a religious person anyway, I understand why atheists don’t accept it ;))
Actually I anticipate Soup_de_jour thinks that evolution has something to do with the Creation. That’s why I asked my next question. (Do you know what evolution is?)
I think Soup_de_jour was referring to the soil not flying off into space.
It will be interesting to hear if I’m right.
Crunchy Frog:
-Some Christians (myself not included) believe in a literal 6-day creation of the world. A basis of evolution is the immense amount of time it took (is taking.) Evolving from pond scum to fully functional human being does not, in my mind, take six days.
-I mean the soil/air/water that would be flung out because of centripital force.
Ad Noctum:
-Evolution does not state that the WEAKEST animals die out, it simply states that the least fit animals die out. Fishies that cannot smell my PowerBait have a greater chance of survival, right?
Crunchy Frog, again:
-I happen to believe the world is shaped like a ceiling fan!
-Yes, I know what evolution is. It is the theory that allele frequencies in a gene pool change over time.
Seriously, though. This wasn’t meant to be a debate. I just had an interesting discussion with some guy at my church that took every Biblical word literally. I guess that’s why I was perturbed.
I don’t doubt your sincerity about not wanting this to be a debate, Soup. But posting something about Creationism vs. Evolution is the biology equivalent of a thread about Mac vs. PC. It is most likely to turn into a debate, regardless of your wishes. The fact that the Creationist side hasn’t really turned out in force yet seems positive. But don’t count those chickens yet…
Actually it would be flung out because of lack of centripital force.
In regards to the OP: There is another aspect to the whole ‘evolution contradicting Christian doctrine’ thing than just the 6 days vs millions of years problem. The theory of evolution completely does away with any notion of a plan behind it all (or of 'course there was a plan and the plan was to make it look like there wasn’t a plan, in which case evolution is dictating the plan rather than what actually happens, but same diff). Though a lot of people don’t quite get that aspect of evolution (I didn’t until I read a book on the subject a couple of months ago). I have no problems accepting evolution and faith in God, but it DOES contradict the idea that God ‘created Man in His image’…
Plus (IMHO) a whole lot of people just don’t want to accept that there’s nothing inherently special about humans as opposed to any other animal, and kicking up a fuss about evolution because of the Bible is a convenient excuse.