But CarnalK’s point was that that was hardly the only stupid thing that the 17 million do with their guns when they carry them around everywhere.
Maybe the NRA should have an education campaign saying, “leave 'em home if you don’t need 'em with you.” The smaller a fraction of the 17 million that feel compelled to carry their lethal weapons everywhere, the smaller the likelihood that something lethal will happen by some cross of forgetfulness and stupidity.
Well, many are not called parents anymore. I meant “terribly irresponsible”, but spellcheck had other ideas…
That thread is about how it is not intentional that people leave their kids in the car. I don’t think that anyone in that thread called such parents responsible.
That only counts the guns found by the TSA.
No, they call them normal people. And a normal and responsible person can make a mistake.
I think that most (more than 50%, and optimistically much higher) people that currently have a CCW are probably responsible enough to carry a gun. I do not think that most members of the general public are.
I do believe that mistakes and abuses should be pro-actively prevented, rather than just reacted to when they inevitably happen.
This is from training and classes, but also in knowing that there are consequences for mistakes and abuses, even if they do no result in damage or injury.
True. There have been some really truly horrible results when they’ve been tested. “Close enough for government work” is definitely a thing with the TSA.
I wonder if there’s been any measurable difference in Constitutional Carry states since their transition.
Anyways, like I said, I’m not opposed to letting people know that there are consequences for mistakes, and I’m all for taking proactive steps to avoid incidents. For example, a simple sign outside of SLC Airport’s TSA checkpoint reminding people one last time to make sure they didn’t have their gun or ammo with them seems to have reduced the number of incidents significantly (this information came from a series of private meetings an organization I am a part of had with a representative of TSA about this very topic, so no publicly-available cite, sorry, I’m just going off of what he told us).
Considering I can’t get through a crowded movie without someone’s phone going off, I don’t know that I should be able to expect to be on a flight that no one forgot to leave their gun at home.
That does make sense. Thanks for clearing that up.
The second one.
So, you think that had Haley Barbour not gotten stopped at the checkpoint and discovered, say, mid-flight that he had a gun in his briefcase that there would have been a mass shooting in the sky because Haley Barbour is just dangerous that way?
I’m not saying that certain people should be allowed to have guns on the plane. I am saying that if Haley Barbour, Jay Rockefeller, or Joe Biden accidentally carried a gun on the plane, it would be a no harm no foul incident.
If I carried a gun onto a plane, there would be no harm.
Does that mean that I am allowed to carry a gun on the plane now?
I’m saying that allowing certain people to unknowingly bring firearms into the cabins of commercial aircraft and perhaps stow them in the overhead bins creates an exploitable security hole.
Well … certain people are allowed to bring firearms into the cabins of commercial aircraft, but they’re usually federal LEOs.
ETA: I think we’re all on the same page that we don’t want your average citizen to be able to carry-on a firearm.
And no people are allowed to unknowingly stow a loaded firearm in the overhead bin.
As it should be.
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What about a yellow guy named Goldstein? Or a red man named Richard “Big Dick” Johnson?
We have truly entered a colorblind age when even a secret Muslim Kenyan can become a terrible President.
This reminds me of that Obama tweet-reading video:
This is nonsense. Millions of people carry every day and don’t forget they have a firearm or where it is.
One of the reason I’m so incensed at Barbour is that these things make all gun owners look stupid and give people like elbows fodder to want to completely take that persons rights away. There is a movement at the federal level to strip people of their firearms rights if they forget to pay a traffic ticket for crying outloud.
Forgetting one has a weapon in a briefcase one still controls is freaking stupid, but not on the same level as forgetting you left a gun behind a couch cushion where a kid finds it and blows his brains out.
And just FYI, I am not a “former” cop. After 25 years as a Sheriffs Deputy I retired with full pension and started a second career with another agency, first part-time then when they offered to me full time. I am still a full time active LEO. Which is irrelevant to this thread. Multitudes of non-LEO’s carry handguns everyday without forgetting they have them or where they are!
With all due respect, how in the bloody hell do you know that? I mean to a degree, it’s probably true but in the same sense that millions of people manage to not lose their car keys or cell phone every day. Doesn’t change the fact that a whole bunch of people do.
Because carrying your keys, cell phone, comb, etc. is not the same responsibility and conscious decision as carrying a deadly weapon. People who carry firearms tend to be far more aware of their surroundings and their own behavior.
In fact, I was in an in-service training session that had to do with spotting people who were carrying concealed firearms. People who carry (consciously and/or subconsciously) adjust their stance and whether they are aware of it or not routinely place their hand in the area where their weapon is to check that it is there and seated correctly. This was a half day course so I’m not going to go over every aspect.
But your contention that people routinely forget they have a firearm on them is ridiculous.