You are so obviously not reading what I write that this is all you get from me.
And if your son was wrongly convicted and executed? What then?
Oh, you just want “justice?” Bullshit. You want revenge. And that’s normal. But it doesn’t make it right.
I don’t want “100% perfection.” I just don’t want the government putting people to death, especially when, as you say, the system is flawed. Because humans are flawed.
You don’t need the death penalty, just “something done.” Well, how about life in prison, no possibility for parole, where he’s locked away and can’t hurt anyone else?
Dammit, our justice system should NOT be based on emotion. It was never meant to be. It’s supposed to be based on facts, evidence, and logic.
I’m sure there’s a logical fallacy in here somewhere, I just can’t identify which one at the moment. I understand the “real world” plenty, and in the “real world” the judicial system will never BE perfect. And thus, it doesn’t justify taking someone’s life.
Sorry for that, it is rough. I have not been abused in that particular way so I can’t really know .
Okay says the jury, we give him only 20 years on your say so. 20 years later he does it again and this time he does kill a mother. You will be willing to say ‘what’ to the child of that woman?
I personally think castration and permanent marking is a better punishment for rape but then I have never been raped in the classical sense.
I respectfully disagree. I believe he’s 100% sure of everything (even if he’s faced with completely overwhelming evidence contrary to the position he’s taken). I’m agree that he’d never admit to it.
By that logic, then self-defense in a home with small children should be outlawed also because even that is not 100%.
I don’t want to be killed by a teenaged driver either and the odds say I very well might be. Does not mean that I’m trying to change the driving age or that the way society handles it now is wrong.
Where you gonna draw the ‘has to 100%’ line?
And that’s going to do what? How’s not having a functioning cock going to prevent him from using a beer bottle, or his fist or a broken piece of chair leg to violate you? How’s marking him going to prevent him from waiting until you’re alone and doing what he wants?
The Death Penalty is done for vengence, not self-defense.
You only get self defense when you are at risk of injury or death. A prisoner is no longer a danger to society, it is not necessary to kill him to secure our safety.
If by “live where that is really enforced” you mean live in a society where the worst criminals are not executed but in jail for life? Why not? It really sounds like you seem to think those against the DP want the criminals to walk free or something.
If you were to explain what advantages death has over life imprisonment, maybe I can see your point of view better.
Also, I’m sorry I did not previously offer my sympathies to the horrible stuff you and yours went through. You truly have my condolences.
If the state executes someone they are 100% dead. There is a 100% chance that they are not coming back to life. In may way of thinking, the state better be 100% sure that they’ve executed the correct person.
Of course, there may be people out there who are willing to forgive the error. I trust that you’re one of them and would willingly go the electric chair in the name of “almost good enough” justice.
That’s a interesting question, but it’s irrelevant to the point I was addressing.
People say that Dubya claimed that no innocent person had ever received the death penalty in Texas, but that’s not what he said. Rather, Dubya said he was confident that no such atrocity had occurred. This is not the same as 100% certainty.
especially when we also look at the other things he’s “confident” of.
This about sums it up.
You’ve looked at the facts, and made your decision about what’s right. According to you anyone who disagrees isn’t being reasonable, it would seem. This certainly explains your attitude towards other posters.
Here’s to hoping the rest of us can do better.
I’m off for the weekend. Have a great thanksgiving everybody!
You might be too stupid to live just for the statement you made before this. However, your inability to answer the question - how you would react if you killed someone you THOGUHT was guilty of a crime but wasn’t - is telling.
I already do. There is no death penalty in this state, which ranks 8th lowest in the country for murder rates. Compare that to the murder rates in many of the states with the DP, and the deterrant argument you seem to be implying falls like a house of cards.
No death penalty, and legal gay marriage. According to some people’s metrics, we should be one of the worst states in the union. In actuality, we’re doing just fine, thankyouverymuch.
Yes, you’re absolutely right: I tried to explain why I’m not surprised that pro-DP folks hadn’t flooded this thread, so obviously that means I don’t like it and should just go away. :rolleyes:
The Pit also contains plenty of threads where the OP isn’t getting trounced, so I’m not quite sure what point you think you’re making. Perhaps the fingernail thing was a bad example, but this is an extremely heated topic (like a Pit thread about abortion would be, or gun rights, etc.), and there has been a clear bias from the very start. At the time I replied to plnnr’s comment about pro-DP responses, those seemed like logical reasons for why there hadn’t been any/many.
How you extrapolate that to mean that I “don’t like the thread” (especially when I haven’t stated my opinion on the DP one way or the other) is beyond me. I’m sorry that you find the ability to look at things from someone else’s point of view so exasperating. “Jesus,” indeed.
Honest question for GusNSpot:
How many executions of innocent people - out of, say, 100 total executions - are acceptable to you?
I understand that this issue is inextricably tied to emotion for you, and I can’t say that I wouldn’t feel the same way if I were in your situation.
However, you seem to have asserted that a few “mistakes” are acceptable so long as the death penalty is primarily carried out against the guilty. I’d like to know what kind of error rate you’re comfortable with. 10%? 1%? .1%?
Thanks.
In addition to this, I’d like to know if Gus would be willing to be one of the mistakes…or if he’d like his son or brother or wife to be one of those mistakes.
If you think that you were being the voice of calm and reason, you really need to reread your posts. You were being snotty and argumentative, not offering reasons you thought something might be the case. “What would be the fucking point?” is not the way most helpful posts start.
I replied, and you got even snottier. And, as you will notice, there is a debate here and pro-dp people don’t seem too scared to post. I didn’t need to “start a GD thread.” This thread is fine, thanks.
I don’t disagree with you, but given your earlier post about wanting the convicted to suffer, is this a valid complaint?