Experiences as an Ex-pat

No, I don’t mean I changed my name from “Pat”.

As some of you already are aware, I am married to Weirddave. In order to do this, I have had to emigrate to the United States from my beloved home, Canada. I was raised in Alberta, and lived in the NWT for a long time (hence, “Of the North”) with a brief stint in Ontario. We currently reside in northern Maryland. My son is adjusting very well now, but had a really difficult time right after we got here, and was often in some kind of trouble in school. Thank goodness we came just a month before the end of the school year.

One of the things that I was shocked to find out is the level of racism that exists in this area of the world. I don’t know that it is because this was a slave state and that there wasn’t slavery where I’m from, but it’s something that surprised the pants right off of me. The KKK has a chapter not 10 miles away from us. It’s something I always heard about on TV growing up, but never expected to experience.

Another thing is the level of politeness. True, Canada is known for its polite people, but that doesn’t negate my surprise. I don’t hear ‘please’ or ‘thank you’ when making a purchase. My mother would slap me if she heard me speak to anyone the way that some of the customer service people here have spoken to me.

I come from the mountains. In fact, I moved to Maryland from Canmore, Alberta. Canmore is directly in the Rocky Mountains. My home was halfway up a mountain. Have you seen the mountains in the Eastern US? They are pretty, but they’re nothing like what I know mountains to be. The saving grace for this is of course, the Ocean. In September, Dave and I went to meet Zette and her husband in Dewey Beach, Delaware. I found myself transfixed, just staring at the waves. Dave always talked about buying a place on the water and I just didn’t get it until then. Fabulous.

I like to bake. Do you know what happens to an Albertan’s recipes at sea level? Let’s just say that I haven’t baked in awhile, and leave it at that. Not to mention, I couldn’t find lard to save my life (lard is rendered pork fat, much like suet is rendered beef fat. I used to use it instead of shortening). A local acquaintance is a butcher and found it for me, but since the altitude messes up my pie, I haven’t made any.

Grocery shopping, in the beginning, was an experience. Yes, there is everything under the sun available here, but it’s just different. I understand that even from place to place in Canada that brands vary, but this is ridiculous. Or, the exact brand that I’ve used at home, I’ll buy here, and it will be in different packaging, or an ‘off’ brand, or the texture or taste will be different than what I’m used to. The first thing that comes to mind is Coca-Cola. In Canada, it’s made of sugar. Here, it’s made with high-fructose corn syrup. If you don’t think it’s that much of a difference, head across the border for a cold one - and bring some back for me!

Canada was begun by the French and then taken over by the British. As such, we have a lot of words in our language that people here don’t understand. I mentioned that I wanted to make tourtiere - blank stares. I say ‘parkade’ instead of parking garage. I say ‘zed’ instead of ‘zee’ for the last letter of the alphabet. Llama is pronounced the same as lama. Poutine is non-existent, as are donair. Sure, I can get gyros, but they’re made with lamb, and tzatziki, not beef with the sweet sauce.

One thing that I love here is the winter. After spending the entirety of my life until this moment in cold-cold-cold, it’s a lovely change. Sure, we had a butt-load of snow, and a horrendous blizzard leaving us home-bound for a couple of days, but it’s now March 4 and sunny and melting. I will be in shorts before very long. I’ve been wearing sandals for most of the year, as well.

Anything I want to buy, I can get here. There are no restrictions for the border, like there were when I wanted to import things while still in Canada. If I wanted to get anything, even something outrageous, I could probably have it today, or have it over-nighted from anywhere in the US. Fresh oranges from Florida? I’d get them the next day. Pineapple from Cuba? Next day, thanks to ‘the guy’. Amazon.com takes only a few days even on the cheapest shipping option, where at home it was subject to search if it crossed through customs.

New York City is only three hours drive from me. Three hours. This is the centre of the known universe, and it’s only three hours away. Three hours. Did I say that? The Capital of the entire country is only 50 miles from here. Wow. I grew up reading National Geographic and Time - headquartered in Washington, DC. Oh, and did I mention that one of our more-or-less local friends works for Time? That another works in the Senate? Another two for a high-level agency.

Cheesesteaks, Baltimore-style. I thank heaven for Giorgio’s (Timonium and Loch Raven).

Relatively inexpensive air travel. Flying across country, say Calgary to Ottawa, is prohibitively expensive at home. Here, LA-NY can be had for much, much less, and there are many more options. I can take the train anywhere for a pittance. I can hop on I-95 and go from Maine to Florida, and know that along the entire length there will be rest-stops with gas stations and food, consistent quality throughout.

Tim Horton’s can be had with only a drive to northern Pennsylvania, or a call to a friend in Columbus. Probably not having Tim’s is a healthy and good thing; Mom sends the coffee, so I’m okay without the doughnuts.

What I ask of you, dear e-pat Dopers, is to share with me your stories. Where have you moved to and why, where are you from? How do you find life in your new home? Observations and ruminations happily welcomed.

I’m an ex-pat Okie.

I live in NYC now and although there are some checks on the bad side of the balance sheet I not going back.

One of my early expierences was going to the Metropolitan Museam of Art. I walk into a room and I spy across the room a Monet. “A MONET!” I think. I study it for a while and I can’t believe that I am three feet away from a real Monet. Then I realize that the painting next to it is ANOTHER MONET! GOOD GOD THERE ARE TWO OF THEM HERE!!! Then I realized that every painting in that room was a Monet. I sat down on a bench and let it flow into me, and I knew I really cut down on the places I could live.

I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area, and moved to Saint Paul about eight years ago. We wanted to buy a 3-bedroom house for less than $300,000 in a nice town that wasn’t clear across the state, so we moved to St. Paul and bought a 5-bedroom house for under $200,000.

I miss Mexican food. There’s a nice restaurant nearby, but it’s a full dinner-style restaurant. There don’t seem to be many small tacquerias or places where I can get a burrito or some enchiladas when I want something spicy. I have met someone, a native Minnesotan, who thinks ketchup is spicy. Sigh.

I hate winter. I’m not used to it. It’s cold. Things freeze. There’s ice and snow and salt on the ground and it’s slippery and dangerous and I don’t understand why people put up with it.

I hate mosquitoes. I can’t go out into my back yard in the summertime because the bugs will grab me, fly off into the bushes and drain me in a matter of moments. Piranha? Bah. Army ants? Nothing. Fear the Minnesota state bird.

I probably haven’t tried hard enough to connect to the local gaming community, but I haven’t had any luck finding a good D&D or Champions campaign, and when I mention Fantasy Hero, all I get is blank stares. I was gaming with some of the people who worked/wrote/playtested at Hero Games when I was in California, and it kinda spoiled me…

I don’t think you were looking for a whiny bitch-fest here, but I don’t think I gained much moving here from California except a big house, and I lost a lot of friends, family, and connection with things I grew up with. I’m glad we have this house, but I’m sorry we had to move here to get it.

BC/Ontario expat. I moved down here in March of 2000, on a K-1 visa.

I had a whole big post written about what I hate and what I love about this place, but I’ve got to stop comparing the two or else I’ll never be happy. But I will say that what you’ve said about your area is what drove me to leave DC and head west. I was always tense, angry and upset at myself for being so.

Being an expat has caused me to be more patriotic about my home country. They say you’ll never find a patriotic Canadian. I say you’re looking in the wrong spots. Being from the “51st State” has caused me to fervently embrace my differences. Every day, someone’ll make a comment about Canada’s “statehood,” or how there’s really no difference between Canada and the States. I have found that there is nothing more upsetting then being told by everyone you meet that your national identity really doesn’t count. That being Canadian is “the same thing” as being American. Go ahead and make fun of my “ehs,” my “zeds” and my French Sesame Street, but don’t marginalize my existence, dammit. I am proud of my country and I am proud of my heritage.

Will I move back up North? Maybe someday. But I am here because my American wife wants me here, and that more than makes up for everything I don’t like about the States. What’s the best thing about living here? My wife.

Oh - forgot to add:

Miss you Ginger!!!

That’s funny - I was just telling Asylum last weekend that I miss you, and miss having someone local to commisserate with.

Ginger, I grew up in Rockville, and I believe you’re not too far from there.

Yes, there’s racism, but the KKK makes a lot more noise than their actual influence/pervasiveness would lead you to believe.

The KKK, has, in essence, become real-world message board trolls. They do things just to get a rise out of people - especially the media. Those ‘huge rallies’ they plan and get lots of first-amendment discussion going about, end up being about ten guys. Literally - about ten.

You can find ten guys who get perverse pleasure out of offending people in any large population.

Making purchases - you don’t hear ‘please’ or ‘thank you’? Well, OK, I don’t hear ‘please’ either, but I sure do hear ‘thank you’ or ‘have a nice day’ most of the time. One cultural difference I’ve noticed in Europe (but not Canada - I think I didn’t notice so it probably was the same as here) is that the cashier says ‘thank you’ at the point you hand them the money - here, it’s when the purchase is complete.

Hey, in Canada, do they say ‘you’re welcome’ a lot (not at cash registers, but in regular life)? I saw a play wherein a Brit was complaining that Americans say ‘you’re welcome’ all the time, which he wasn’t used to, but then he realized they don’t really mean it; it’s just part of the rote ritual of getting through a favor.

bup we’re a bit north of there, in Harford County. I am not sure that KKK has really any influence on the population around here, but I’m still shocked that it’s here. KKK is something you hear about in movies set in the old South, not in your neighbourhood.

Anytime someone says “Thank You” to me, I say “You’re welcome”. I think the word that Canadians are worse for is ‘sorry’. We say that a lot. Sorry.

I dunno. Ask Potter in a few years. :slight_smile:

Aw!

I’ve recently decided that everybody I miss from out there should move out here, and the world will be a better place.

I’m with you on the Klan issue. Granted, it’s really nothing more than a bogeyman nowadays, but it has come to represent the more seedy aspects of American history. Knowing that they’re nearby just makes you realize that there are still ignorant and chuckle-headed weenies out there who will not listen to reason or logic if their life depended on it.

bup, my personal experience on the whole customer service issue has been varied. I’ve been places where the cashier/server/service rep was remarkably friendly and cheery. But on the other side of the coin, I’ve had exasperated sighs if I ask for help finding a certain item. I’ve sat at my table for 20 minutes waiting for the bill, only to be told that “look, we’re really busy here, you’re just gonna have to hold on for a while.” I’ve had my change tossed negligently on the counter while the cashier picked the phone back up and resume his conversation, noting “friggin’ customers won’t leave [him] alone.”

I think it’s a question of degree. Up North, I’ve had service that was indifferent, slow, or lackwitted. I’ve also had conscientious, courteous, and respectful. But until I moved to the States, I’d never had the extreme friendliness or cheerfulness I often get down here. On the flipside, I’d also never had the extreme hostility, rudeness or lack of enthusiasm.

Interesting thread.

I’ve lived north and south, east and west, U.S. and Canada. Found lots of differences, but the most stark differences were west-to-east ones.

Groceries, colloquiallisms, manners, racism, lifestyle – a myriad of differences strong enough to qualify as a “cultural” difference. (Well, to me, anyway.)

My latest difference? There’s a difference PACE in the west than in the east – most of my comparisons relate to Canada, mind you, but not all. Seems that in the east, everyone’s in a rush, there’s never enough time. I’ve examined and analyzed what creates or determines a “pace” of life, but can’t quite grasp it.

I, too, was stunned to discover glaring racism when I moved from one area to another. Previously, I’d simply had no idea.

Silly enough, I’m still fascinated that the west’s “Best Foods” mayonaisse is the east’s “Hellman’s” – same mayo, same label design, different name.

I agree with Aguecheek, that to compare only seems to incite unhappiness, and I’ve made a true effort to stop comparisons. A thread like this, however, gets me going…

I also try not to compare the two. It’s apples and oranges, really. It is upsetting that people think of Canada as ‘just a really cold state’. It’s not nearly as alike to the US as Americans would like to think.

I certainly can’t compare with leaving a country for another.

But I have (thanks to a wandering hippy mother) spent time in:

Washington DC
Virginia (it’s not the same thing)
Chicago
Boston
Miami
DeRidder, LA
Los Angeles
Iowa City, IA

There are things I miss and appreciate about all of them.

I miss the cheerful easy-goingness about Los Angeles. When I moved from there to DC I remember thinking how tense everyone was, how abrupt. But now I love that while trying to stay laid back. There’s a sense in DC of purpose that I never felt in LA.

I miss the self-centeredness of Chicago. The sense that…if you’re not in, of or from Chicago you didn’t really count. Seeing the front page of the Tribune sporting nothing but local city news was a shock the first time I saw it. National and Political news ending up ‘under the flap’ caught me by surprise something fierce. But my relatives in Chicago appreciate what Washington does…they just know it’s not as important to them as the fights between Aldermen.

Oh, and I’d kill for a good Vienna dog with that soupy cheese.

Iowa City was, without a doubt, the nicest place I have ever been. And the scariest. When we registered our car the clerk invited us to Sunday dinner just because we were new in town and she wanted her kids to quiz us about Washington. That’s pretty freaky to someone from the big city. But she meant it.

Dammit. Now I’m all misty eyed.

Canadian ex-pat here, living the life of an itinerant graduate student and thoroughly sick of it. I started in Ontario, spent two years in Vancouver, British Columbia, then three years in Pasadena, CA, and now two years in Princeton, NJ. All the moves kinda made sense at the time, but I would really like to stop moving around now please. (Once upon a time I enjoyed flying.)

I’ve definitely found the United States to be different from Canada, but in subtle ways. Trees, for example. We just don’t have palm trees in Canada, and when I first saw them in Pasadena they just freaked me out. I kept expecting them to take off to intercept incoming missiles, or something. Banking, too…Canadians have been using debit cards for ages, and adjusting to “check cards” instead took some time.

I also remember my first earthquake. Okay, there were earthquakes in British Columbia, but I didn’t experience any. That is, I didn’t feel any…I slept through one. But I felt my first earthquake in Pasadena; it kind of felt like an initiation. Or a truck backing into the building. Or something.

Then came the move to New Jersey. I’d driven across Canada in a moving truck once already, and now I got to do the same thing across the U.S., with my wife this time. What a varied experience. In Canada I drove along the Trans-Canada highway, which was pretty consistent across its length in terms of things like road quality and facilities. (The exception, of course, is the hinterlands of northern Ontario, where roads go to die.)

But driving across the U.S. was different: the roads went from crappy to wonderful, sometimes in the same state. (Oklahoma, if you’re wondering.) The facilities went from wonderful (Oklahoma again…Tulsa has what is possibly the best donut shop in the known universe) to depressing (rural Illinois) to nearly non-existent (we nearly ran out of diesel in West Virginia). It was an overwhelming barrage of experiences.

And now I’ve experienced Princeton, arguably the most boring beautiful scenic town in existence. Although the train service is nice. I wish Ontario had something like Amtrak’s northeast corridor.

What do I miss from Canada?

I miss voting. Which is really weird, 'cos I only ever voted twice when I did live in Canada (the Charlottetown accords referendum, and the federal election in 1997). But now that I can’t vote I find I want to desperately. If only because the Ontario government seems to be going to hell in a handbasket in my absence…

I also miss good produce. I’ve lived in Vancouver BC, Pasadena CA, and now Princeton NJ, and none of the three had a produce selection that measured up to what I remember from Ontario. IMHO, anyway.

It’s harder to say what I’ll miss about the U.S. if I end up back in Canada (the high dollar?), but that’s partly because I’m under a lot of stress right now. I certainly won’t miss the INS. I might miss being so close to so many major airports, and having so many airlines. If I suddenly have to go to Boston, half a dozen airlines scramble to lose money on my ticket! But I’m diligently working to ensure I never have to fly again anyway, so the point’s kind of moot. (It’s not a 9/11 thing, I was sick of flying well before then. It’s like Douglas Adams said: “Flying is like riding around in a vacuum cleaner; you get shuffled around in long, stuffy tubes and get treated like dirt.”)

Hmm. That’s kind of a downer, isn’t it? I guess I’m a homesick ex-pat.

I was born in Michigan and have lived in Minnesota and Ohio before moving to Tennessee. There are differences, even within the same country. There is more racism (and other kinds of discrimination) in the south, but I also think that’s getting better. On the other hand, people also seem friendlier down here, and more helpful. You need help with car trouble or general “need-a-hand” trouble, someone will usually stop what they’re doing to try to help. Minnesotans were polite, but more reserved, I think. It may be the Scandinavian influence. Michganders seems more insular, more cliqueish. Each state had it’s bright spots and not-so-bright spots. I’ve been in Tennessee for 18 years and still can’t get over the grammar and sometimes even the accent.

StG

See, this is why I don’t EVER want to move too far away- I’d miss the bay area (California) too much. I look at those gorgeous green hills that flank my neighborhood and thinking about not seeing them scares me. This is where I grew up, the land of perpetual freeway construction work, gasoline at $2.15 a gallon, and long hot summer days.

It is expensive as hell to live here unforunately and with the job market the way it is I may have to seek greener pastures elsewhere. But I don’t think I could ever get used to it :frowning:

I moved from the US to Germany about a year and a half ago. I don’t miss living in the States at all. Of course there are a few creature comforts which simply don’t exist here–like being able to go shopping pretty much any time, day or night and on Sunday. But humans are adaptable creatures, and I can live with it. And I have to laugh at the person who thought customer service is nonexistant in the States, because your average German would be freaked out by the phony smiles and "can I help you"s so common in the US. You have to bag your own groceries here and pay €0.15 per bag as well! (which I don’t mind as it’s a great incentive to recycle)

I know quite a few expats here from countries all over the world. Most of the American expats were stationed here in the military, and liked Germany so much they decided to stay.

I feel sorry for people who have the opportunity to experience life in another country and can only focus on petty differences, instead of appreciating all the new possibilities. Is it so hard to keep an open mind and to accept that there are many, many different ways of living besides the one “right” way you grew up with? Admittedly, if you had to live in a non-“Western” location for awhile I could see how it could be a bit more of a culture shock. But for someone who’s moaning because they can’t find the right brand of mayonnaise: you’re just spoiled. Learn to live with it.

I grew up in a small town [cue Springsteen here] in upstate New York – but what kept me from provinciality was, aside from an excellent library and parents and aunt who encouraged me to read, the fact that literally half our available television and radio were from across the border in Canada.

Back then Canada apparently had only the two parties, the Liberals and the P.C.'s, with something leftist called the CCF and something bizarre called Social Credit out west but not “serious” parties. Hockey Night in Canada was a regular thing (I may be one of a very few 'Canes fans with a lifelong interest in hockey!).

What’s always struck me is how parochial most Americans seem to be – as if nobody but the U.S. has a handle on what freedom or democracy means, and the American foreign policy was given to the President and Secretary of State from on high by an archangel at a regular conference with God at 10 every Monday morning. Being raised on the Border inoculated me against that, and thank you, Canada, I’m grateful. :slight_smile:

What noddygrrl said (even down to the 15c bag charge). Much as I may complain about little things here in Ireland - and even a few big things - I sometimes still can’t believe my luck that I’m actually able to live here.

I can’t really contribute anything since my only experience living outside of Canada (apart from brief vacations) was eight months I spent as an illegal tech worker in Whidbey Island, Wa. (Pretty damned alienating, that. I hadn’t been called a “fag” so much since I was in grade-school. Navy pratts!)

Ginger, I clearly didn’t stay there long enough for either lamas or llamas to come up in conversation with any regularity. Which one has a variant pronunciation? I won’t be able to sleep properly until I know.