Explain Hurling and Gaelic Football to me

Many years ago I read the book Beyond Belfast, about an intrepid Canadian hiker who visits the Emerald Isle and gets sore feet while explaining a lot of Irish culture. IIRC he says everything from one’s name, favourite sport, pub, home location, slang, names for cities and much else define ones tribal affiliations. Hopefully this has lessened with more recent economic successes.

I cannot say how much of this is so, but have heard others confirm it. At any rate, please explain the above sports to me. Are you a fan? Should these sports be more popular or widespread?

All I know is that the female version of Hurling is called Camogie. Unlike Softball, the ball is smaller than in the male version.

The sum total of my knowledge of these sports comes from a visit to the Gaelic Athletic Association Museum inside of Croke Park Stadium in Dublin, but I must say it was a rather interesting place.

The odd thing, to me, about the two sports is that they use the same scoring system and field, but are played rather differently. Gaelic football is akin to rugby whereas hurling seems to be a cousin of lacrosse.

The games have a prominent place in Irish history and in fact a major incident in the Irish War of Independence (1920-22) occurred in Croke Park in 1920, when British paramilitaries opened fire on the crowd at a Gaelic football match.

As for “should the sports be more popular or widespread”, I get the sense that the Irish kind of like having their own national games (soccer and rugby are too English) and don’t really proselytize to the rest of the world.

Anyway, if you’re ever in Dublin, give Croke Park a visit.

Most of what I know about hurling and Gaelic football was taught to me by my best friend, who grew up in Dublin. She gave me a Dublin GAA jersey as a gift for Christmas one year. :slight_smile:

I do think that’s part of it; I think that part is also that the GAA is the highest rung of play of those sports, and it has remained committed to the sports being played by amateurs, which may also help serve to keep the sports small and largely local.

(OTOH, I’ll also say that my Irish friend, and her family, are pretty mad for rugby, too, and have converted me to watching that sport, as well.)

Also, in reading the Wikipedia article on Gaelic football, it seems like its closest relative, rules-wise, may be Australian football; teams from the GAA and the AFL play each other in a biennial tournament, using a set of rules that are a compromise between the two sports’ codes.

All I know, I know from Wayne’s World.

I got really into GAA, the collective term for Gaelic Football, Hurling, Camogie and some other sports, a couple of years ago, having watched soccer and rugby for years. I’ve been to a few Gaelic Football and Hurling matches, watched quite a lot on TV and followed debates online.

Gaelic Football (GF from hereon) is indeed close to Australian Rules - Irish GF players regularly turn professional and go to Australia to play Rules. Hurling’s nearest cousin would be shinty in Scotland, but they’re not that similar and since there are far fewer shinty teams and players in Scotland there isn’t the same crossover that there is between GF and Rules. They do have composite rules, so that Ireland can play Australia at a GF/Rules hybrid, and Ireland can play Scotland at a hurling/shinty hybrid, but the Irish take the Australia games a lot more seriously.

GF and Hurling are played on the same pitch with the same goal posts - I think they made that decision in the 19th century on pragmatic grounds. The pitch is huge compared with rugby and soccer. The games are very fast, constantly going from end to end, and so the match is shorter than the other sports, 70 minutes at the top level.

Both games score 3 points for a goal, which is getting the ball into the net between the posts and under the bar, or 1 point for between the posts and over the bar. Most scoring is done with single points, especially in top level hurling where players can score from 70 or 80 yards out. The match score is still given as, eg, 2-12 to 1-16, which works out as 18-19. I don’t know why they do this, rugby and American football stopped doing it in the 19th century. The relative number of goals never has any bearing on the result, it’s never used to separate teams that are drawing at the end of a championship match.

I don’t think Gaelic Football is at all close to rugby. I will defer to any Irish people who think I’m talking crap, but despite superficial appearances I think it’s closer to soccer.

In GF, like soccer, you have to tackle the ball not the man - you’re not allowed to put your arms round a player and bring them down like you can in rugby or American Football. After watching many games I still can’t tell a fair tackle from a foul one in GF, you perhaps have to have played the game to really understand how the tackle works in GF. As in soccer, you’re allowed to go shoulder to shoulder with an opponent who has the ball, but permitted shouldering is much more robust in GF.

In GF you’re not allowed to throw the ball like you can in rugby - you have to “hand pass”, which means holding it in one hand and punching it with the other. You’re not allowed to run with the ball like you can in rugby, you need to bounce it or keep punting it to yourself. Rugby’s offside and forward pass rules really restrict what a team can do with the ball - neither of these apply in GF. There is no equivalent of the scrum, ruck or maul in GF, and when a team is getting the ball forward with hand passes and kick passes, they’re looking for players in space like in soccer. Marking opponents is closer to soccer than rugby. GF and Hurling have no offside rule at all, except that an attacker is not allowed to stand in a very small area next to the goal when a team mate is passing to them. The penalty in GF is almost exactly the same as in soccer, except that you do have the option between going for 3 points into the net, or 1 point over the bar.

The vast majority of scoring in GF is done with punting the ball between the posts and over the bar. You can’t score with a punt in rugby, the ball has to be drop kicked.

It should be borne in mind that when the first soccer rules were drawn up in the 1860s, outfield players were allowed to catch the ball, like they still can in GF.