This bit alone proves (as if anybody ever doubted it) that you know absolutely nothing about anything and that society would be best served if you just crawled back under your rock and petrified.
The rest of your post is just as idiotic and worthless. Where did you go to school…Texas?
Back off.
Stick to discussing the topic and do not drag attacks on the poster into the discussion.
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Personal attacks get responded to with personal attacks.
But I will comply. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I hang my head in shame. I rend my garment in remorse. I pound the glass of Tullamore dew in my hand in regret.
That’s simply wrong. Here in Missouri we’ve had at least three entire school districts that lost their accreditation. One was shut down entirely and merged into another school district. The other two were placed into receivership and ordered to allow their students to attend any other nearby school district (there were about 20) and to pay both tuition and transportation costs for the students who chose to transfer. After a few years, both districts clawed their way back to accreditation.
That’s quite a way from “They are going to get your money come hell or high water and they have no incentive to provide a quality product.” Show me a private school that would be closed down or taken over by the state if its students performed poorly.
You quoted my request for a citation for your claim, yet it’s not clear how what you wrote addresses it or what point you’re trying to make. Perhaps you could clarify.
You mean Catholic schools dont teach religion? It is to laugh.
You said they weren’t teaching evolution. Is that withdrawn?
It was a two part. *but they got larning about that good Bible stuff *and *none of the eevolution crap.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/politico-study-private-schools-957/
a study by science education activist Zack Kopplin has found that more than 300 creationist schools from coast-to-coast receive public funding.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/education-creationism-104934
Which has what, exactly, to do with the program in question?
What “program” you talking about now? Look, many/most Private schools do teach religion, yes? And some teach Creationism- even some that receive public voucher funding.
Do you disagree with those statements?
You even quoted the link here. And now you’ve exposed that you posted without even reading it.
At no time was my comment about that one particular voucher program. Just Voucher programs in general. That cite* showed that kids who did use vouchers didnt benefit scholastically.*
That cite didnt talk about the level of religious studies etc-* in those few schools in the study.*
I have no idea how you think my comment somehow exposed “I didnt read it”. :rolleyes:
However,* my cites *have proven that vouchers have been used to provide funing to schools that teach creationism.
My cites (and that cite) have shown kids dont get a better education in Private schools.
In other words, when kids go to private schools they dont get a better education, but they do often got larning about that good Bible stuff and none of the eevolution crap.
You quoted a link to a study about a program and made a comment about “eevolution” that does not generally apply to that program, them admitted to not knowing what the program was.
I never admitted I didn’t know what the program was. I read the cite, great cite. Are you carrying on some sort of debate with yourself or someone who isnt here? :rolleyes:
I was replying to a post (which had the cite), the poster made the point that kids who did use vouchers didnt benefit scholastically.
What exactly is your point here? 
You have been going at this for many posts now? Do you deny many/most Private schools do teach religion?
Do you deny that some teach Creationism- even some that receive public voucher funding?
what the fuck are you defending or attacking?
You wrote that at least they “got none of that eevolution crap” in response to a study about a federal program, when in fact you don’t know what the participants did or did not learn.
It was in response to a study/point poster made the point that kids who did use vouchers didnt benefit scholastically. Just right after my cites that showed that Privates schools actually didnt perform better than Public Schools.
In other words, the study showed that kids who did use vouchers didnt benefit scholastically. Also noted is the fact- which I have cited and documented- that some schools that get voucher funding teach creationism.
But let’s go back to my questions- for the third time:
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Do you deny many/most Private schools do teach religion?
Do you deny that some teach Creationism- even some that receive public voucher funding?
what the fuck are you defending or attacking?
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Posts 305-316 are incredibly boring; I can’t believe either of you are interested. Could you maybe take the point-scoring to PM or something?
As for the idea that public schools will provide a quality education or close their doors, it’s an insane proposition. “Education” isn’t a commodity like “hamburger meat” that you can provide to a customer base. It’s a process, and an extremely complex process full of relationships, background knowledge, logistical concerns, interactions with poverty and culture and generational attitudes and all sorts of other things.
The educational monopoly is nothing like US Steel’s monopoly: it’s closer to the police’s monopoly on force, inasmuch as it’s vital to have a high-quality system that offers public education everywhere, but it’s also 100% beholden to voters. If I’m doing a bad job, my principal fires me. If my principal doesn’t fire me, the superintendent can fire him. If she doesn’t fire him, the school board can fire her. If the school board doesn’t fire her, the public can vote them out.
No such system of checks and balances works against a real monopoly.
Your first two questions do not address any claims I made in this thread and do not interest me. What I *am *interested in is fighting scientific illiteracy, especially where it pertains to the use of scientific studies to make points about items that those studies do not address. And the following:
does not accurately describe the subjects of:
We do not have evidence to support that “they” did not get eevolution. Plenty of other folks did not and currently are not getting eevolution, much to their detriment IMO, but they’re by and large not the ones who got studied. There are plenty of valid criticisms of voucher programs. I’ve made them myself. We don’t need to make anything up.
I didnt ask you if you made those claims. I asked you your opinion. Do you have one? Can you answer those two questions?
I did not “use” that cite at all. I* replied to a post *which said “Kids randomly selected for private school education via a federally-funded voucher program perform worse on standardized tests than their counterparts who weren’t selected for the program.” and linked to a cite.
And I submitted studies which do show that some voucher programs do pay for schools where creationism is taught. I didnt make anything up.
Even if it is hamburger meat, I don’t think vouchers are required to reach some level of commoditization. A charter system offers similar flexibility. CMOs do get fired. Charters do close. And they’re in theory similarly beholden to voters, although I’m not sure how they get implemented everywhere.