Extremely intelligent people...Emotionally challenged??

I don’t think I’m remarkable by SDMB standards, but out in the real world I am considered to be pretty intelligent. I don’t think I’m particularly bad off in the emotional/social functioning departments. Like Sunspace I was bullied badly through most of my school years, and that was because I was “different” for various reasons, intelligence among them. But that sort of thing isn’t the inevitable consequence of high intelligence, it depends on the school environment.

I have observed that very intelligent people often end up either shy and withdrawn or arrogant, and I think this is due to so often feeling that they are not the same as the people around them. Some people are very bright without having any common sense, or they “do not play well with others”, but of course the same is true for many people who are not especially bright.

If being clever has given me any problems in dealing with other people, it’s because I am sometimes too clever for my own good. I tend to assume that other people are always acting deliberately and are following some reasonable and well-thought-out internal plan. This means I am sometimes unneccesarily offended by things like forgetfulness or insensitivity because I mistake them for intentional insults.

I have always thought that people who believe that genius is close to madness are actually far closer to the latter than the former.

You know what, I think I maybe experiencing that but how do you stop having that attitude towards people? Is it learned over time or can it be immediately changed? What I do is that I have a ‘superior attitude’ and not many people understand me, thats what I think…

My daughter was tested in kindergarten when her reading ability startled her teacher. She did fine in school until she did
grades 3 & 4 in one year, at which time she parted from her
peer group and school after that was a wretched experience.

She says now(she’s in her 30s)that the best thing I did for her was to sit her down when she came home complaining about how stupid her classmates were. I told her that THEY were ‘normal’ and SHE was
apparently gifted. Giftedness could be a blessing or a curse. She should, I suggested, figure out which way she was gonna go with it.

She’s fine now - not a LOT of friends but good ones. Still
rather low self esteem tho.

The more I look at this thread, the more I see the appeal in being an ‘average Joe’

I don’t think you can suddenly change any sort of personal attitude, but you can grow out of them. You’re still a teenager, right? Once you are a little older, a little more out in the world (either university or work) and meeting lots of different people, you will probably feel differently.

As an adult, I have no trouble with others as a result of my intelligence, only because of my slightly atypical personality.

When you’re a guy who doesn’t care about sports, doesn’t like to talk about work in your off time, and doesn’t see any point to arguing politics and other things beyond your control, you end up with very little to say to most other guys.

As a child, my main problem was that I had learned to act and think like an adult, because I had ZERO exposure to children prior to starting school (except for my younger sister). When I encountered “normal” children, I found them to be incomprehensibly immature, undisciplined, and uncivilized.

I think either of these circumstances could apply to someone of nearly any intellectual level, so I can’t blame intelligence for my social problems.

Now that I think back, I think that’s exactly what happened. She wasn’t always like that, and she isn’t when she’s around other people who are as intellectually gifted as she is.

sigh see what happens when they refuse to put the smart people together? i was lucky to be yanked out of my old school and be transferred to anotehr school running this sorta gifted programme thingum. it helps alot. the people there are people whom you can relate to on many levels, because they know what you’re talking about. and their genius level helps keep your ego in check.

Intelligent people sure are greedy. Not only do they like professing their intelligence, they also want to be victims. Maybe they’re ashamed of this and that’s why they are so shy or obnoxious.

Or it could be that there is a larger group of intelligent people who aren’t significantly different so we percieve them as normal. I act strangely and people tend to think I’m some kind of genius but really I’m just quite strange.

you’ve got to meet more smart people, ryan_liam. and stick around them more often. damn, that leaves me with the geeks in college. the word geeks has become sorta endearing to me, so i really mean no offense by that.

and, find an interest in something else. a sport, or cars, or a sport, anything. helps you to relate to other people better esp. if they’re not of your intelligence level.

you’ve got to meet more smart people, ryan_liam. and stick around them more often. damn, that leaves me with the geeks in college. the word geeks has become sorta endearing to me, so i really mean no offense by that.

and, find an interest in something else. a sport, or cars, or a sport, anything. helps you to relate to other people better esp. if they’re not of your intelligence level.

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Genius may not be a clinically accurate term, but if it was good enough for Terman…

Good enough for Terman way back when he was doing the longitudinal study on the Termites for sure :).

It’s not a term which is currently in use with regards to any IQ test. If you go and hand over your hard earned dosh for an IQ test like the WAIS or an SB, you’ll only get a percentile ranking and possibly a description of your humble self as gifted, highly gifted, exceptionally gifted or profoundly gifted. You mightn’t even get a number. What would be very surprising is if a psych used the term, genius, as a diagnostic term in the year 2003. Terman certainly did, no disputing that. But Linda Silverman, Miraca Gross, Betty Maxwell and the other psychs who are researching exceptionally gifted + kids and adults do not use that terminology now.

Personally I like Ellen Winner’s definition of a genius – a genius is someone who transforms a domain of human endeavour. IQ, whatever it is, is basically a measure of potential, not achievement so reserving the term genius for people like Hawking, Einstein and the like makes sense to me.

Good Points! I neglected to address the social bullying that many really intelligent kids face in school, especially the dreaded HS years. (My poor boyfriend was one, always the “good friend” who helped with homework, never “the stud” with all the girls).

Again, to some who still seem to think I was painting everyone with the same brush, please notice that I said “in MY experiences”. Also, as the only, or nearly the only “dummy” in my family and group of friends (hmmmmmmm, geniouses must really dig my personality :D), I was merely curious as to what OTHER people who were extremely smart, and whom I didn’t know, had experienced.

While by no means a “genius”, I’ve been considered gifted for my whole life. Whether thats true or not I really can’t say, because I’ve never really felt gifted. The trouble probably comes in the fact that we often judge intelligence upon a single concept, when it is in fact a whole spectrum of abilities.

For example, I have always done average at best on math-related skills, and thus never so well on IQ tests which hinge on that. In fact, I actually score below-average on such tests. However, I was two answers off perfect on my verbal ACT score, graduated an accelerated high school at the age of 16, and am a junior with a 3.1something GPA in college at the age of 19. I was reading adult novels in fifth grade for my own amusement, after already going completely through the class collection of books before the year was halfway over. I say this not as a boast in any way, and it in fact embarrasses me when my mother brings it up in front of others, because I know a lot of people who are much smarter than I. I simply mention it to build my anecdotal case.

Being gifted, to me, in no way means you’re excellent at everything, merely that you’re above average at something. I see how words fit together, twist thoughts in odd ways. Others twist numbers and see connections in equations. It all comes down, in my mind, to instead of thinking better than another person, simply thinking differently. When one is able to see different connections than those around them, one can sometimes leap from A to E or even sometimes Z. These leaps are blessing and curse.

One point already raised is the triviality threshold. When someone fails to make the same leaps as I do, frustration can often set in. It isn’t always because I think the other person is stupid, but rather because I don’t necessarily know steps B, C, and D to lead them through. Because I’m already at E, I don’t have a clue how to get them to the same place normally. Thats often my true source of annoyance.

Another point is we can often become too reliant on these leaps of insight, depending on them instead of actual work. When a friend of mine gets a paper assigned, he starts researching up a storm, building outlines, shoveling through drafts, finally turning out a product which is the best he could ever do. I, on the other hand, wait until two days before at best, do online research so I can insert three quotes and complete the obligatory bibliography requirements, then type out a paper hinging on my gift to impress professors. It often works, pulling me As for 10% of the work my friend did. The problem occurs when it fails, landing me a nice fat C instead, and my friend still got his A.

As for the “emotionally challenged” idea posited in the OP, I think its phrased wrong. Are gifted people more likely to be socially eccentric? I think the answer is “yes”. Sometimes that also translates into socially maladjusted, but it really all comes back to seeing different connections. If you see things differently, you’re going to communicate concepts differently, and react to the world differently. Sometimes these differences are small, sometimes they’re actually positive, and sometimes you react so differently that you just can’t fit. A lot of it also hinges on the group you’re in.

For example, I was tormented throughout grade school. I would come home an absolute mess because I simply couldn’t fit in with the group. When one is reading Jurassic Park, conversations about Hardy Boys novels can be rather hard to get into, let alone the latest baseball game. Because the class I was in could not accept such weirdness, such deviation, I was picked on in an attempt to make me conform.

However, when I went from fifth grade to prep year at my accelerated high school, most of that tormenting stopped. It wasn’t because I thought any less differently than the rest of the class, but rather because we were all thinking differently, thus tending to be more accepting of weirdness. Thus, one group’s social maladjust is another’s average joe.

Actually, another anecdote about social eccentricity occurs to me. When I was in kindergarten, we were doing a test/worksheet on… capitals, I think. It was done in a question-by-question manner. None of us could go forward until everyone else at our table was finished. Getting rather impatient with this method, and feeling rather generous towards my fellow tablemates, I began blurting out the answers to each question so we could all finish earlier and have more time to play. It seemed like an excellent win-win idea to me, but the teacher didn’t quite see it my way. As I recall, my mother got a rather interesting call that evening, although luckily she was more amused than angry. That was the day I learned that cheating was a bad thing to help others do.

I’m new to this, and I’m also probably the youngest, I my self am considered above average or advanced and I agree with this point. I some times notice my self having sudden changes in my mood, such as laughing when no one said any thing funny, or replying aggressively to a neutral comment when I haven’t even been having a bad day. Also I think academically able people also can have other problems, I tend to forget key items at home, like house keys or a homework assignment. Another problem I tend to have is that even though I can solve a problem correctly that would confuse and trick most others, I am low on common sense, like one time when i was in 5th grade, i accidentally distinguished a flame from a candle on the dinning room table; what do you think i did? Tell one of my parents so that they could relight it? no. Pick up the dead candle and use the still lit one to light the fuse again? no. what really happened is i got a piece of paper, put it to the lit flame and attempted to use that to set the other candle aflame, the dark spot is still on the carpet. Well thanx for reading and I hope you have formulate your own opinion. :smiley: :slight_smile: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiley: :slight_smile: :stuck_out_tongue:

Well I dont know about the high end but I know many people on the low end of the intelligent curve who are probably the most fun, laid back people you could meet. They will walk up to anyone and ask darn near anything and are very open about things. Plus I’ve never seen one act on any racial, class, or ethnic bias.

It’s pretty easy, really. Highly intelligent people tend to be analyzers. Modern society can’t stand very much analysis before it starts to exhibit its irrational and illogical behavior vectors. Which, when understood, deter a highly intelligent analyzer from participating according to the norms, memes and tropes, and he is then seen as nutty.

I wouldn’t say I’m a genius, but I did get into college a few years of age early(Currently a Senior at 16), and people tend to consider me relatively smart. In my case, I am a bit of an introvert and not the best at parties, but I wouldn’t say I’m emotionally challenged or socially inept as is the common stereotype.

In actual geniuses(Tesla, Einstein, Netwon, etc) I would say there is a regular occurrence of emotional and social dysfunction, this could be from the social aspect of being smarter than your peers at a young age, or possibly a side effect of whatever caused them to be so intelligent. But as a rule I would not say the highly intelligent(The Feynmans of the world) are emotionally challenged. Based on the given information I think CanvasShoes’ boyfriend is just being annoyed at annoying things and has roughly the same level of emotional function as most men. Trust me, nothing is more annoying then having to explain basic concepts a million times.