F1 Drivers most fit in the world?

We have some race fans here at work that contend that F1 drivers are the most fit athletes in the world, due to the claim that their heart rate goes to 200 beats per minute and stays there for the duration of a two hour race.

I find this claim somewhat hard to believe - two hours at 200 bpm seems like it would destroy or severely damage a human heart, no matter how fit. A brief search on the web reveals a number of articles that mention this 200 bpm figure, but aren’t clear on whether this is a peak rate achieved during a race, or an average. Additionally, these sites are mostly racing-oriented sites, which might be forgiven for exaggerating the prowess of their heroes.

This page has a little more info - 160 bpm average, with routine periods of 175 and occasionally peaking out over 195.

Does anyone have any more definitive information behind this claim?

-BbT

Raising one’s heart rate from catecholamine release ( which is what, I believe, you’re talking about) is not aerobic exercise, not is it a substitute for aerobic exercise.

I couldn’t find anything that talks about that specificly, since our organs don’t function seperately. I did find something on heart rate and exercise

I’m including something about how catecholamines act on the body, in the short term.
So, the answer to your question is, no, F1 drivers are only fit if they do aerobic exercise outside of their cars.

There are several site on how to figure one’s max, optimum and resting heart rates. this is just one.

This article claims that a peak rate of 210 is reached during races at Monte Carlo, which is something of an exception, and that 180 is a normal (hah!) peak. One thing I certainly don’t doubt is that F1 drivers do have to be exceptional athletes, although the OP’s friends’ claim that they are the fittest people in the world is just a bit silly.

I don’t think the original poster was suggesting that racing was exercise, but simply that they already had to be in extraordinary shape for their heart to handle the stress. They also have to handle extreme lateral g-force repeatedly. I don’t know about best shape of all athletes, but their endurance has to be superb.

Why not? How is the repeated, if not constant stress placed on their posturing muscles and arms any different from the repeated stress runners and cyclists place on their legs.
While I don’t know if I would call race car drivers the fittest of all athletes, people who make the claim usually do so when confronted with people who dont think fitness is a requirement at all.

The actions of driving, even at extreme speed aren’t considered aerobic exercise.

You just fell into the same trap as the OP. The high heart rates they are alluding to are NOT signs of fitness, but signs of extreme stress. That much stress is not a good thing. They have to use *other conditioning * keep that stress from hurting them. According to this article which does address their conditioning,

they require significant aerobic training.

The heart rates they are subject to, however, are not a sign of their conditioning. Their conditioning keeps the stress from killing them.

:dubious:

Many contend that NASCAR driver’s are not athletes. Many of the races on the schedule are much longer than the 2 hours F1 races average and at tracks such as Talladega, Dover, Daytona, and Charlotte, the drivers have to been on top of the wheel the the whole race or the results could be disasterous. Drivers such as Michael Waltrip and Jamie McMurray have run in marathons recently, both in the 4 hour range. As for a motorsports competitor that would have to be in peak physical condition to perform at their best, you won’t beat those that compete in motocross racing. Wrestling a 350 pound motorcycle while flying over jumps and moguls is not something even a F1 driver could do withour risk of injuring themselves.

I didn’t misunderstand, I just didn’t explain myself well! My comment about fitness was that it would be impossible for somebody to not only cope but to function at such a level, when under this physical stress, if they were not extremely fit.

F1 drivers have to be supremely fit to cope with the high G-forces in all directions. These are a rough guide to the peaks:

Acceleration (thrown backwards): 1G
Cornering (thrown sideways): 4G
Braking (thrown forwards) : 5G

There are also transient up/down direction G-forces from undulations, bumps and gradients in the track.

The neck muscles need to be very strong to cope with the cornering, and the legs need to be very strong to brace the body for hard braking. Even so, under braking conditions an F1 driver will sink down inside their cockpit noticably. An F1 race is a pretty good anaerobic workout (for the most part), as the only time muscles aren’t working hard is on the rare top-speed sections of straight track. The drivers lose a lot of fluids too.

There was a US race series (can’t remember which; CART I think?) which got so fast that drivers were starting to lose consciousness by being centrifuged on the bends, and the regulations had to be changed to slow it down.

I read that, and I took it to mean that the racers would already have to be in excellent shape to withstand the stress. I suppose only the original poster can verify for certain what he meant.

I think we’re actually in agreement.

  1. Formula 1 drivers must maintain a high level of fitness, for both the physical demands of the sport and for the stress involved.

  2. Their high heart rates are related to the stress they withstand, and are not indicators of fitness.

  3. racer72 you live where I grew up, or at least close. I was dragged to that ciderblock monstrosity of a church your neighborhood is named for, until I broke free and ran far away. They’ve changed the street names so I can’t tell you where I lived(McAllister Road and North Road.) so as you’d understand. (are you my cousin?)

  4. I hope opalcat doesn’t catch me with a bad list. :smiley:

OTOH, NASCAR drivers did so poorly in the Superstars athletic competitions that they only appeared in the first year. They just couldn’t compete with athletes in other sports.

Could that be because they only need upper body strength, and aerobic endurance? I’m asking, I have no idea.

You’re thinking of the CART race at Texas Motor Speedway in 2001 that was canceled because the track’s banking was creating such high G-loads that the drivers began getting dizzy and having vision problems. Cite.

I wouldn’t agree with the OP’s colleagues’ characterization of racecar drivers as stated, but I would claim that driving a top level racing car (e.g. F1, Champ Cars (CART), Indy Racing League, NASCAR, and some sports car series) is arguably one of, if not the, most challenging forms of athletic competition in the world, taking into account not only the physical, but also the mental aspects.

The physical difficulty is far greater than is generally understood by people who’ve never driven or ridden in a racecar. There are the G forces and other strength requirements Fridgemagnet spoke of, and the fact that, unlike almost any other sport, except marathon running and long-distance bicycle racing, a racecar driver must keep that effort up for two hours or more with virtually no breaks. (BTW: pit stops are not relaxation breaks: most drivers’ heart rates are higher in pit stops than in any other part of the race except the start and the finish. Besides, they only last between 6 and 20 seconds.)

So from a physical standpoint, a driver needs greater endurance than a player of almost any ball sport, none of which (IIRC) requires more than 20 minutes of continuous play.

Furthermore, a car moving at 220+ MPH (350 KPH) is travelling a the length of a football field every second. To make a turn at precisely the right point requires faster reactions than are needed in any other sport.

Oh, and the cockpits of these cars can easily get to 130-140 degrees F. For two hours.

On the mental side, a driver needs to be an engineer, capable of determining from feelings, sounds, sights, even smells, what his car is doing, and which of the hundreds of possible engine, transmission, suspension, or tire adjustments might be needed to make it perform even better. He needs to communicate these to his team so they can be ready to execute them in the next pit stop.

He* needs to know strategy not just against one other team, as a ball sport player does, but against a dozen or more teams, represented by 20 or 30 other drivers. He has to know the abilities of every other driver, who is safe to run side-by-side with, who is unpredictable, whose teams’ equipment may be more likely to break, etc., etc.

He needs to maintain laser-sharp mental focus for the entire length of the race. A tiny slip of concentration can put him into a wall.

And that’s the bottom line: unlike virtually any other sport, if a racecar driver doesn’t do everything right, he could DIE. Fortunately, safety systems are constantly improving, and fatalities are now much rarer than in the bad old days, but they still happen. (It’s been said that up through the 1960s, as many as one-third to one-half of all pro racecar drivers died on the track!:eek: )

So I think race drivers are certainly among the best athletes in the world, and pro level racing is among the most challenging athletic competitions going.

*I’m using the generic “he” here, but as the talented Danica Patrick, and many other female drivers, have shown, women are quite capable of being top level drivers.

How about we put Mark McGwire, Tiger Woods, Shaq, and some other ball players in open wheel racecars and have them go up against Jeff Gordon, Michael Schumacher, Indy 500 winner Dan Wheldon, Danica, and some other drivers? Who do you think would win?

(Well, now that I look it up, Superstars was back in the 1970s and '80s, and NASCAR drivers were definitely not as fit back then. I’m pretty sure they would do much better now.)

I live out by Pacific Raceways, the former Seattle International Raceway. I have lived here since 89, none of the street names have changed since then. I moved here to be closer to where I work in Renton (the Lazy B) and was promptly transferred to Everett to help get the 777 off the ground. I have been back at Renton since 98. This area is growing fast, local merchants are going under because of Walmart and other big box retailers moving into the area. The Eastside creep is reaching this area too, the politics are starting to move to the conservative side.

My husband works at the Lazy B (renton too) You may know each other (he at least seeseveryone. Do you mind an e-mail, rather than totally hijack this thread?

I just noticed you don’t have your e-mail public, If you like, e-mail me. Do you run the simulator?

Damn. So all those lines of cocaine, packs of cigarettes, and hours spent gambling have all been for naught?

sorry, babe, you better take a walk… :cool: