Face Off season 7

In the shop, Dina’s nerd goblin looked like it would be tops for the week, but I think the enormous band shako ruined the effect – it covered up the ridiculous hair and sort of smooshed all the features together. So the design ended up looking a bit crowded. I still would have put it in top looks – you could see the reaction shots of the judges laughing when it came out.

I’m bemused that Sasha’s alien didn’t put her in bottom looks. I suspect she squeaked by on the quality of the sculpt, but the concept was flawed from the start. At least Rachael’s cheerleader was dressed appropriately.

Stella’s minotaur could easily have been top looks, particularly if she pulled off something closer to the concept art. But as she commented, the result looked more “cow” and less “minotaur”. It needed a bit more ability to emote.

I agree with everyone else that George’s jock should have been the bottom look for the week. The degree of difficulty was moderate (it’s hard with a jock to do anything but build a big square looking dude and goblins are not typically big and square), but there was nothing in the execution that was good.

I can’t disagree with the choice of top look though. No one commented on it, but the ear gauge really sold it for me. Drew really spent some time thinking about the whole essence of Emo.
So at this point we’re down to six. Cig and Dina have hit their stride and are producing consistently good designs. Stella has produced good but underrated work the past couple of weeks. I think the contestants most in peril next week are Sasha and George – they seem to have the most potential to shoot themselves in the foot early in the build with a bad concept. Dina could aways revert to form and have a bad week, but she’s done enough good work that I think the judges might favor her if it comes down to a tie-breaker.

Long term, I still think it’s between Dina and Cig but there’s a lot of dark horse possibility in the field.

Ah, I also wanted to mention I loved when Glen commented on the hair looking stuck on (I believe that was the term) and then backed up, saying … well, my hair looks like that sometimes.

I cannot believe that Sasha was safe. Hell, I can’t believe she didn’t go home! “Here’s my cyclops cheerleader — that’s neither a cyclops nor a cheerleader. Plus, it’s not very well done.”

And if Sasha didn’t go home, it should have been George. “Muppet Frankenstein” pretty much sums it up. Rachel’s was bad, but at least it showed a lot of work. George’s was worse, and it looked like he spent two hours on it.

ETA: I see delphica said this already. Well, she’s right.

And Dina should have been in top looks. Yeah, it looked better in the shop than it did on the stage, and finagle is right as to why. Also because she was small, and the bass drum was big, so it was hard to see her at all. But it still looked great on the stage.

Pressure from whom? The producers?

I don’t understand. Yeah, the producers could have done that, but why would they?

Stella actually said early in her concept something about a she’s a female so she’s a cow.

Good observation. In the artwork, it looked like she was going to make the hair into the band hat. That might have been amusing.

I’m not sure what the difference between “cow” and “minotaur” would be. The Minotaur was a bull’s head on a human body. She made a cow’s head on a human body. And she really got a lot of details about the hanging neck skin, and being bulky enough. Though she really needed a bulkier model to fit the artwork and pull of the original concept. But I let that slide because she’s kinda limited by the models on the list. I don’t think she could say “I need a fat person” and have them go find one for her. She could have tried bulking up the model with a fatsuit, but it would have taken away from the efforts where they really mattered, and she would have struggled to get the arms and legs to look right.

I spotted and loved the ear gauge. This challenge really played to Drew’s personal history, and he was able to draw upon personal knowledge of Emo teens to build his concept. What would have happened if he had gotten a Jock? Still, he had the essence of the character right, and his work was pristine.

Agreed. I think sometimes a contestant’s previous work will color the judge’s opinions a bit.

Running the numbers (we’re down low enough to make some sense of it)

Cig: 1 Win and 5 Highs, vs 1 Low. 2 + 5 - 1 = 6

Dina: 3 Wins and 1 High, vs 2 Lows. 3*2 + 1 - 2 = 5

Sasha: 1 Win and 4 Highs, but 4 Lows (one the save). 2 + 4 - 4 - 1 = 1

Stella: 1 Win and 3 Highs, vs 1 Low. 2 + 3 - 1 = 4

George: 1 Win and 1 High, vs 1 Low. 2 + 1 - 1 = 2

Drew: 1 Win and 1 High, vs 2 Lows. 2 + 1 - 2 = 1

Both Drew and George overall have lackluster results. A lot of middling work. By the numbers, George has the edge on Drew by 1 Low result, but Drew’s two good results are recent, whereas George’s are scattered earlier. However, one of Drew’s Lows is right in between 2 Highs. Regardless, both of these seem slated to fall off in the next couple weeks.

In particular, this week’s challenged played to Drew’s strengths, but next week may not and then we will see if his ability keeps up.

Of the remaining 4, it’s a little hard to call who the final three will be, because the numbers don’t balance easily. I threw some numbers above, giving 2 points for a Win and 1 point for a High, then subtracting a point for a Low and an extra point for a Save. But that’s just gibberish. I could easily not count Wins more than Highs.

Cig has had fairly consistent high quality, but not quite enough to secure wins. That means he should be in the finals, but might not win.

Dina and Stella’s records are fairly even depending on how you count Wins vs Highs. But Dina has more Wins, and her good results are falling more recently. Stella has most of her Highs on team challenges. That suggests Dina is doing better. Dina’s win record suggests if she makes the finals, she could win.

Sasha is the Wildcard. She’s been consistently either Top or Bottom except for this last challenge, where she was Safe. She could make the finals, but she has three chances to blow it.

I say it will be Cig, Dina, and Sasha in the finals, and Dina will pull the win. But there is a lot of room for me to be wrong.

Yeah, that was great.

I meant self pressure. “I gave her the save, I’d hate to eliminate her now.”

Even subconsciously.

Well, it led to a discussion in our house about whether the judges just say whatever they want, and the producers edit for what they think the best comments are, or if the judges are asked to cover particular points when they make their reviews. So it was just a speculation about how the show approaches this. I lean toward the first, my husband thinks the second.

Joining the chorus of approval for Drew’s emo faun. The paintwork was lovely, and the appliances exquisitely well done. I, too, loved the ear gauge.

Cig’s minotaur nerd was good, but not great. It did look like a makeup, where Drew’s faun looked like a character. I’ve noticed that the judges’ highest accolade is, “It looks ready to go before a camera”, and Drew’s faun did. You could almost hear The Cure and smell the clove cigarettes when he came on stage.

Same thing with Dina’s goblin nerd - it was well-crafted, but a bit cartoonish. I give her credit, though, for going with a band nerd instead of a comic book or gamer nerd. That was a bit outside the box. (Although I wonder how her sister felt about Dina announcing on national TV that she was the inspiration for Dina’s design…) I also laughed at her throwaway line in character when she was bantering with George: “Why does my inhaler smell like your butt?”

Sasha was lucky to survive, for all the reasons earlier posters have detailed. I’m surprised she was Safe, and so was she; her expression when Mackenzie listed her among the Safes was clearly “Holy crap, I can’t believe I dodged that bullet!”

My wife and I were also thinking Dina’s band nerd would win but figured the hat covering up the hair ruined some of what we saw in application.

I also thought that the Goblin jock was terrible and I thought he would be eliminated. The only thing I can figure that saved him was it looked better than Rachel’s on stage, since they didn’t see drawings or ideas. I would have saved Rachel as many said, though, because I didn’t like the Goblin jock at all in its execution.

Sasha continues to mystify. She learned to do her own thing but hasn’t learned that she still has to operate within the guidelines of the challenge! Yes to alien and she was lucky on the safe result. As someone said, I might have put her in the bottom but still picked the Goblin jock for being worse.

We still enjoy the show!

Fairly decent episode tonight. I totally agree with Stella’s win in the foundation challenge. Pretty much all the others were just, meh.

As for the main challenge, I am really surprised that Drew was just safe. I thought he had a close second place look. Not as good as Dina’s, which was amazing, but I thought it was better than Cig’s.

And finally, I thought George deserved to go home. The face looked more like Gandalf or Saruman than Zeus. The “armor” was terrible, and as the judges said, you couldn’t see how his power influenced his look.

Regarding Stella’s Minotaur from last week, thinking about it, I guess the judges were looking for more of a blended character, a human/cow hybrid, like Cig’s approach? The thing is, I disagree - a Minotaur is a bull’s head on a human body, not a morphed human/bull hybrid face. Same way a centaur is a human’s torso and head on a horse body, not a horse-human hybrid head. The Greek chimera’s were stark contrast animal mixes, not blended hybrid mixes.

Anyway, this week’s challenges.

For the Foundation challenge, I thought they all did pretty well. I liked the approach Sasha took with the hair and face texture, but agreed that the line was too even down the face. It should have been more asymmetrical on the spread of the stone. I thought Dina’s was interesting with the 3-D elements. I was less thrilled with George’s work. I understand he went for old and weathered and growing lichens, but he covered up his work by putting it in that big hood. And I liked Stella’s - it looked creepy and menacing while looking organic under the stone. Worth the win.

For the Spotlight challenge,

Cig, Apollo: I did not like this result. I don’t see what the judges were complimenting, the were definitely overpraising in my opinion. I put him in bottom on my original ratings, but after the judge’s up close review, I could see him Safe, which is ultimately what he ended up with. It’s almost like the judges needed someone to compare with Dina for drama, and used him because he’s been doing good work. Or something. I didn’t like the sculpt, I know it was intentionally asymmetrical, but it didn’t read like fire to me. Add to it the shoulder puffs that were small, poorly shaped, and poorly applied - it just wasn’t his regular standard of work. Couple that with the beast’s head - I get that it was supposed to be a pestilence demon, but I really struggled to see it as a head. I had to struggle to pull out a face - finally see the teeth and nose openings. I didn’t like it, thought it was too amorphous and you couldn’t tell it was a head. Ergo, overall, I thought his work was substandard this week.

George, Zeus: I have to agree, this was a Bottom look, and it read that way to me as well. I thought he did a good job with the face sculpt, but something in the paint color on the bride of the nose and eyebrow ridge didn’t quite match his face. Maybe it’s the camera picking up something by material affecting the way the color reads. It was disturbingly prominent. Couple that with the atrocious [del]dress[/del] toga and armor - seriously, the baby blue armor bits not a coherent armor plate, the clouds didn’t read from afar. I was a bit more forgiving on the hair, but you’d think the guy with the big beard could have gotten the beard right. Anyway, this was the Bottom for me and I think he should have gone home. Too much wrong. His severed head wasn’t bad, except for the lack of connection to Zeus’s powers, which weren’t evident.

Sasha, Athena: She struggled on concept, and made a risky move subverting the concept by making the Medusa head winning over the Goddess, turning her to stone. Mr. Westmore was correct, for this to work, the Medusa head had to be pristine to look alive, so it’s taking over the goddess. In this case, the head wasn’t just a prop, it was a central element because of the role it plays in the character. And what Sasha made was a dreadful severed head. “Anima sex doll” - ha ha, but the nose was whack, the skin around the eyes was bad, the eyes bulged, then there’s the wig work. And fake skin is hard. That was awful. I originally put her as Safe, because I the elements on the face were interesting to me, but I understand the judge’s comments that she still should have been beautiful, and the texture was more gravel pit than stone sculpture. With that, I see why they went Bottom look for her. I still would have eliminated George, but she’s been Bottom a lot, and so maybe that factored in.

Dina, Aphrodite: I agree, she was the only Top look, hers was a class by itself this week. Every bit was perfect. The headdress was nautical while accentuating the beauty, the color scheme was bright and appealing, the coral bits worked, the model’s beauty played through. And then she topped that with the best severed head of the bunch. That severed head was excellent in its own right. Smart choices all around, superb result.

Drew, Hades: I agree with Safe for him. I didn’t think his face was great. The severed head’s face was pretty good, but the shape of the head was kind of blah and vague. Still, better than the Bottom looks.

Stella, Poseidon: I think Stella was underrated this week. I liked her sculpt and paint job. I suppose it looks a little rubber masky. The severed head didn’t really turn out great, supposed to be an octopus. I guess Safe works, but I rated it higher.

With Sasha’s wildcard knocked out, that leaves us one step closer for Dina and Cig to battle it out in the Finals, probably with Stella rounding out the third. Drew’s got a chance at it, but George is treading water, and someone keeps adding weights.

Nothing much to add here. An episode where the game was won and lost in the first five minutes. Letting Dina pick Aphrodite is like giving a major leaguer a slow pitch right up the middle and she hit it out of the park. Meanwhile, Sasha picked Athena, the Goddess of Wisdom. It’s always tough to come up with a makeup for intangible attributes like wisdom, so this was not a wise choice.

When someone says “I hate my concept” on Day 1, you can be pretty sure that they’re not going to end up in top looks.

Still, I think it must have been a close call between Sasha and George. Sasha’s concept was terrible and not well executed, but at least it was a concept. George went straight for the lowest hanging branch – Zeus from a low-budget Clash of the Titans. If you’re going to do a minimal concept, then your execution really has to be flawless.

As for the foundation challenge, once again, I’m amazed that in two hours, Stella was able to come up with something that actually looked better than some of the spotlight challenges this week. Stella remains a dark horse, but she’s been underrated in the past few weeks.
I’m still thinking that Dina is the likely winner, but it depends on whether the remaining challenges suit her style. When she can’t come up with a concept, the results can be dire.

Very much agree with what has been said about this week so far!

Dina, wow, she amazes me when she locks down the concept (but I agree she struggles when it doesn’t really click for her right away). And I believe she is the one who doesn’t have very much experience. So impressive.

I feel like George is often weirdly clueless when it comes to his own work (or maybe he simply doesn’t speak about it well) because he seemed generally positive about this result, except for the beard, which was indeed bad, but really, it seemed like he never quite got the point of the challenge, and he didn’t seem to get that he didn’t get it, even when he was in the bottom.

I thought that the judges would have been okay with Sasha’s concept (of having the god(dess) defeated and the head the victor) had it been well executed. It was so, so poor overall. I think she was the right choice to send home (and not only because she was getting a little annoying with her complaining). Like Dina, she is amazing when the concept is in her wheelhouse … but has a harder time if it doesn’t click with her right away. However unlike Dina, she seems to mentally give up in that situation. She bungled Athena’s helmet, which is like the easiest thing ever to show that it’s Athena! I know wisdom is harder to represent visually, and it was too bad she already did an owl (plus got dinged for copying her own owl in a later challenge), but the helmet is a total gimme (also spear). She’s also the god of olive trees, so that’s a thing.

Can’t add anything to the analysis already given. But I was tickled when Neville said Sasha’s Medusa head looked like a sex toy. Because when I first saw it in close up, I turned to my wife and friends and said “That looks like H.P. Lovecraft’s sex doll!”

I pretty much agree with Irishman.

Dina was definitely in a class by herself. Camera ready make up that spoke for itself.

Cig’s I did not like. I think Apollo is better known for his other attributes than plague. And even then, it’s plague only in a sense that he caused it, so he has to be appeased to fix it. Since that can apply to ANY god, I thought it was a poor choice to try and do. However, I think what really didn’t work for me was the contrast in the fire sculpt but the concept is plague? I agree that the shoulder parts seemed tacked on at best.

I agree that Stella is underrated at times as well.

I also agree that George is clueless about his work and how it looks. That was a terrible Zeus. It didn’t use any attributes of the father of the gods. I grudgingly admit the slaying of a rogue titan was interesting but then the head should have been bigger, imo, and it still needed Zeus’ powers showing.

To me, it felt like none of them really knew mythology, and as Finagle said, Dina getting Aphrodite was handing her the win because it’s “easy” for Dina to do beauty. I also didn’t like Drew’s concept of Hades. All Greek gods were still beautiful in form, underworld or not, and even then Hades wasn’t seen as evil. However, I agree it wasn’t bad for a make up, it just didn’t appeal to me.

With Sasha gone, and I said to my wife I would love to see her back on a new vets vs newcomers with three years more experience, I think George will be next to leave, then Drew, leaving Cig, Dina and Stella for the finale.

Good discussion! Thanks!

edg

Yeah, I was thinking, isn’t she a Huntress? But wikipedia doesn’t mention that. Obviously she was a little hurt by the “pick a god/goddess” when she doesn’t know them well, so she’s kinda picking blind. My first thought when she said that was “time to Google”.

Damn, Goddess of Wisdom, Reason, Mathematics, arts, literature, and agriculture. That last, like 25th on the list or something, finally gets something reasonable to work with. Symbols - helmet, spear, owl. Crap, she’s done an owl and doesn’t want to redo that again - too similar. Kinda sucks.

Really hard to get to Top Looks when you don’t like what you’re doing. On the other hand, George really liked his.

I keep saying that. It almost feels like the judges have kinda picked faves, and set expectations that color their perceptions. Cig got up-praised the last two weeks, despite flaws, and Stella got down-rated despite doing some flawless stuff.

Yes, and that’s why he should be gone. Sasha might have made poor choices, but she recognized things were going badly. George thought he had good stuff both of the last two weeks. :eek: That’s usually a ticket home.

Yes, once again shades of Miranda. I would love to see what she can do with a couple more years of experience to pick up a few more techniques and a chance to develop some confidence.

Wow, the results were a lot different than I thought.

I liked all of the looks, except for George for the following reasons:

  1. The makeup looked weird.
  2. The model did not look beautiful.
  3. What was up with that flashing neon light? What does that have to do with fairies or earthquakes?

I will say that I didn’t really notice a problem with color transitions in Stella’s look until the judges pointed it out, but I still think it was a hell of a lot better than George’s.

I liked Drew’s look just fine the way it was. Adding oil on her face wouldn’t make it look better in my opinion.

And finally, I’m happy with Cig winning. Dina would have been a great choice too.

Didn’t go the way I would have predicted it, but I’m happy that all the guys that were freaking out about doing a beauty makeup came through with more than acceptable results.

I know I say this almost every week, but once again, this one was kind of lost during the selection process. Fire is hard to do right. Everyone goes for the spikey orange cowls and they always look bad because fire should be dynamic. Also, lots of fabrication difficulties with all the spikiness. I thought, from a distance, the result wasn’t that bad, but at this point in the competition, “not bad” doesn’t really cut it.

I couldn’t see the bad line that they were critiquing in Drew’s makeup. I thought it looked pretty good. The earthquake costume looked distorted and crooked, but as a deliberate choice, so apparently that didn’t cost points. I too, was puzzled by the flashing green light. Not something I associate with earthquakes.

Actually the thing that struck me most about last night’s competition was how much Cig’s model seemed to not be enjoying herself. Dina’s fairy was mugging it up like she was auditioning for a role in Midsummer’s Night’s Dream, but Cig’s model just sort of stood there looking expressionless and remote. I wonder if the makeup was precarious enough that he told her to not move much, or she just wasn’t into the whole fairy thing.

I gotta say, we’re very pleased with this year’s contests. We were getting tiired ofth zombie, alien, zombie, gruesome monster, zombie week after week. Last season, we stopped watching mid-season because it was just boring. This year, they’ve had some really nice, different, interesting challenges – just being able to do blood and gore won’t make it.

Agreed, I feel that the show has really stepped it up with thinking of creative challenges … and there is still plenty of opportunity to showcase some classic horror make up for those that are into that.

I wondered if something about Dina’s makeup was irritating her model’s eyes - she seemed like she was blinking a lot more than you would expect.