Face Off Season 9

Humanity would evolve due to a disaster, but the timescale is going to be forever in part because humans are so good at defeating our environmental challenges. Clothing, housing, weapons - we would be fighting the effects of the environmental change a lot more severely. So you need civilization collapse, and then you still need thousands of years.

The problem is they started with the premise from the new SyFy show that 200 years in our future, humanity is colonizing space, and evolutionarily adapting. :smack: NO NO NO! There might be a slight tendency for bones to grow differently under different gravity environments, that I will grant. But the suggestion seems to stem further than that. And that was the basis for saying further in Earth’s future there’s a disaster and humanity evolving.

Agree except for Scott, I kinda got the thing on the forehead as a moisture collector, except it requires a plastic shield to be worn, which kinda prevents evolution. The cheek things didn’t make sense, and the color didn’t make sense.

Though there’s a potential to save Scott. If the judges thought this was safely evolution based upon the quality of work, then the quality of work should have applied to Scott. As I said, if Scott could have put “genetic engineering” in his description, he might could have sold it. Alas, that never got that far, he was Safe before the questioning began.

Ben would have had to be significantly worse than any other contestant for me to send him home, because he’s got the best overall record. He’s had his misses, but he’s had more hits than anyone else. Stevie had a couple hits and a lot of misses, so her being in Bottom at all doomed her.

If Stevie had somehow hit, then my next Bottom choice would probably have been Nora, and even though she’s done well, her record isn’t quite up to Ben’s. But this from Nora vs this from Ben might have made me pick Ben to go home.

See, fish human alien thingy has been done. Scales didn’t make sense to me. Nose gills was a tough sell, and that design didn’t sell the concept. I would have gone for seal - closeable nostrils, less/no hair on head. The streamlining wasn’t that bad, but the balance was off. And I’d have stayed with human flesh tones and done a killer paint for realism.

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Stevie seemed to do the same, but with human/fish.
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Stevie was looking at humans evolving back to fish. We do have that buried in our evolutionary history, so it’s not impossible it could be drawn out. But dolphins and seals and walruses and manatees haven’t managed to develop scales or gills, so I would be hard to be convinced it would reemerge without GE prodding. Whereas cockroaches aren’t in our evolutionary past - they are split off the animalian line prior to skeletons and backbones. So Scott can’t rely on humans just adapting those traits accidentally.

There’s a thread on this from a Cecil column. The reason cockroaches would survive is because they don’t have complex organs to suffer the damages from the radiation we do, and they have a very short life cycle so they can develop and reproduce before the damage builds up. Hard exoskeleton is not really a factor, and antennae and mandibles are irrelevant. That’s why Scott is further off course than Stevie, both evolutionarily and adapting to the environmental disasterwise.

Ben was thinking something about the skin absorbing ash and that ash serving to reflect heat. It doesn’t really make sense, but let’s pretend somehow the skin could absorb materials and create a reflective and insulative shell. He then didn’t make it look like a natural biological adaptation, which would be symmetric and fit the lines of the face. His looked like a lava monster. And then he kept hair.

Nora was trying to suggest that the skin had grown pores that had natural filters (hair? membranes?) that would trap and remove atmospheric toxins. But it doesn’t really make sense for those pores to run all over the chin and face. Make the nostrils blocked, thin slits, curved membranes. Do something to protect the eyes, like an additional eyelid layer.

Like I said, Jordan was the only one to me that really looked like he understood the premise.

Okay, what about doing asteroid impact. Wouldn’t that just be a cause for the ice age?

Agreed with all of this! My main issue with the show was that everyone – the challenge, the judges, the contestants, seemed to assume that evolution happens as a change in response to an environmental incident (like a disaster) by making an adaptation, as if this is somehow an intentional process … like, “oh hey, more water! we need gills!” instead of through selection of features or tendencies that already exist, or spontaneous mutation, that coincidentally give some segment of the population a survival advantage, and that change would probably not have a direct link to the actual environmental situation (and like you say, would take thousands of years to make it through a population the natural way). Which I realize takes this pretty far out of the realm of a movie make-up … but this gives you a taste of what my husband has to listen to while we watch this show.

Along those lines, I thought Ben might have added enlarged eyes, under the presumption that a volcanic “disaster” - presumably something like the stratovolcanic eruptions in Idaho and Montana, that spread ash as far as Nebraska (about 12 million years ago), or the basalt flows that formed the Deccan Traps in India - would lead to a nuclear winter and thus the need to see in very low light. But I’m not sure the judges would have picked up on that.

Finally got around to watching this one.

That’s because they took the 200 years, which apparently doesn’t go much beyond slightly different bone structure, and went an unspecified number of years further.

I was saying that the TV show is set approx 200 years in our future, but appears to have more changes than just longer or thicker bones. This challenge is some unspecified number of years further, but runs into the problem that whatever disaster has to be long term to have evolutionary changes, and I don’t think the changes happen on the scale of the disasters. YMMV.

Anyway, this week’s show, a surprise double elimination. Uh oh.

Make a whimsically macabre family member a la Addams Family or The Munsters. It seems to me, only two people actually understood the challenge with their original concepts - Nora and, oddly enough, Scott. Evan didn’t understand it needed to be funny. Jordan’s didn’t seem like an undead family member, and he went way cartoon. And Ben… I didn’t know what to think of his creepy uncle idea with the dead wife. However…

Scott, Stern Father zombie: “The Walking Dad”. I think he really got this challenge pretty well. His make up was zombie without being too gorey. It was supposed to be a tame zombie who still has the same personality, and I think he captured that. Maybe the only thing missing was a little more whimsy, but dad is supposed to be stern, so having a goofy smile or whatever wouldn’t have fit. But the judges did give good advice about punching up the paint job - darken the eye sockets, give more contrast to the scar on the head, a little more color, highlights to show off sculpting. I thought he did a very good job on this challenge.

Evan, Bully Older Brother demon: His original concept and sculpt had no whimsy, was much too evil for this challenge. Fortunately Mr. Westmore called him on it, and he listened. “If Mr. Westmore doesn’t like it, then the judges won’t like it.” Yessiree. Anyway, his new concept was toned down in the sculpt but still read bull and demon and kinda scary as a bully. I liked the idea of the wig, though the execution was a little rough. But then looking at how teenagers do their hair now, maybe that’s alright. But the paint job was off. First he ended up replicating his previous paint job, but he spotted it. Then he had to try to change it, and instead just made a hash of things. The colors were off and the patterning was blah.

Ben, Inappropriate Uncle with a skeleton: Okay, this one turned out far better than I expected. I’m a little thrown how he fits an Addams Family or Munsters world because he’s not a creature himself, just carries around a corpse. But as far as a creepy uncle, he nailed it. Everything about the head and face scream creepy older guy. The texturing is great, and he even did well on the coloring, unlike some previous contestants. Points for going against his own ethnic type and getting it right. The eyes, the smile, the ears, the hair - everything worked. Kudos to making something that doesn’t seem to fit the challenge so good you don’t realize it.

Nora, Black Sheep Cousin happy satanist: Her concept is great. The sculpt is pretty good. The paint could have blended around the face better. Overall, right on target and pretty well executed.

Jordan, Spinster Aunt attacked by nephews: I don’t get it. She’s purple. Why? She’s a really old lady - I guess that makes her monsterish? Meh. I don’t like the cartoony sculpt, I don’t like the shapes, I hate the thing on her shoulder. It just misses the mark in every way to me. The judges are able to say “Well, it’s cartoony, but let’s go with that.” This was just so far off course it should send him home immediately.

So the judges give the first two into the Finals: Ben and Nora. Theirs are strong enough as is to make it. Then they do another first for the show: the remaining three contestants get 1 more hour to adjust their make ups per the comments they received and get judged again for the final slot. That’s different.

Evan: They wanted him to ditch the hair, get rid of the paint patterning, redo application. He had a lot to do in one hour, but accomplished as much as he could. He ditched the wig - fortunately he had planned for a full head cowl so that was under there. He rebased the paint and did more subtle overlays without the hideous patterning. And he managed to do something around the mouth with the application. Personally for me, I liked it better with the wig, but the rest of it was great rework.

Scott: They wanted to punch up the color contrast, especially the scar on the head and highlights and shadows to emphasize the sculpt. More whimsy would be nice, but I don’t know how he could add that in one hour of painting. He basically did everything he could in the time to meet what they asked for, and they acknowledge that. They also comment that his was the best of the three prior to the final hour of rework.

Jordan: Given that he was cartoony, they wanted more. More color contrast, and pad up the body and head to make it more cartoonish in shape. He added more padding to the butt and boobs and also enlarged the head behind the wig. He contrasted the painting around the eyes and lips more. It still looks awful to me, but what he could do he did.

So, the third slot for the Finals was awarded to Evan. I’m a bit surprised, I think Scott’s was better before the extra hour and after the hour. Also, Scott was the more consistent competitor all around. He only had a few that stood out as good, but he didn’t ever have any disasters. Evan had a couple of bottom looks, but also had two Wins and more top looks. So maybe overall records played in as well as this challenge.

Anyway, I had predicted that steady but not exceptional work would not get Scott to the finals, and it turns out I was right. I thought this challenge he did better, but there was something slightly missing in the whimsy category for his zombie dad.

Jordan’s was just too far gone to be a contender.

So the final three are Ben, Nora, and Evan.

Just for grins, looking at stats, these three had the overall best Win/Top look counts.

Ben: 3 Wins, 3 Tops, 2 Bottoms
Nora: 1 Win, 5 Tops, 1 Foundation Win, 1 Bottom
Evan: 2 Wins, 2 Tops, 2 Foundation Wins, 2 Bottoms

Scott: 1 Win, 2 Tops, 1 Foundation win
Jordan: 1 Win, 3 Tops, 1 Bottom

Ranking is a bit subjective: do you compare wins or wins and top looks together, how do foundation wins factor in, etc. I also didn’t count this week as Wins because they didn’t designate a top winner, just the ones going into the finals.

Anyway, going into the finale without knowing anything about it or their teams, based purely on past records, Ben has a slight edge, but any of them could win. Nora is solid and has good work. Evan can do well or can suck. Ben has been up and down, but if he understands the challenge usually does well. I’m rooting for Nora based on nothing at all.

And I just have to comment that I love Mackenzie’s dress this week. The pattern and coloring and the glitteriness. Lovely.

This week I was on a completely different page, maybe a completely different planet, than the judges. My goodness.

Ben’s Inappropriate Uncle. I cannot fit this into the quirky/whimsical world of the Munsters/Addams family. I don’t find anything funny about it at all. I think the work is reasonably good here, but SO far off the mark for the challenge.

Nora’s Black Sheep Cousin. I’ve been rooting for Nora for a while, I’m glad she’s in the final group. I thought this was pretty good, although not her best. Conceptually, cute idea … although I’m not quite sure she communicated that visually as well as she could have. The model looked like a real sheep, which was great, but I think Nora could have made this even more whimsical.

Evan’s Bully Big Brother. This reminded me of a challenge from a few seasons ago, like a Monster High sort of thing … I think the demon jocks from that challenge looked a lot like this. I thought it was cute that the model really worked hard to sell this. The most interesting thing to me is that his first iteration was easily the worst on stage. Evan himself knew it wasn’t good, and he had seemed a little lost throughout. However, when the judges specifically said exactly what they wanted … he did a fantastic job of doing it. I’d previously been thinking he wasn’t that bright, because he often seemed lost in the challenges. But he seems great at following direction, his work was very good. It did look a hundred times better after his additional hour.

Scott’s Zombie Dad was cute and whimsical, and I could totally see this fitting into Munsters/Addams Family universe. I get that the judges wanted to see just a little more “oompf” from it, maybe one or two areas that were more gory (perhaps he was hesitant on this because Mr. Westmore had cautioned against too much gore). After his hour, I think he reasonably responded to most of the judges’ concerns … maybe he should have gone a little more extreme. I think his was the best of the three going into the additional hour, so it’s harder to see a dramatic “improvement.”

Jordan’s Spinster Aunt WAS indeed cartoony, but I don’t think that’s completely outside the realm of the challenge (there have been animated versions of both). I hated the little creature thing, who cares? But I liked the overall concept, and thought the character had a good story behind it. I thought he did a decent job of responding to the judges’ comments during his additional hour, but it wasn’t as strong as Zombie Dad going in, and not as dramatic an improvement as Bully Big Brother.

My choices for the top three would have been Nora, Scott, and Evan.

Scott got robbed. I think his character was the one that fit the challenge the best – it was a complete character and you could easily see how a zombie dad would work in a sitcom/horror situation. The thing that would have sold it, though, is, as the judges pointed out, just a bit more deterioration. He looked more mummified than zombified. Maybe a part or two falling off would have helped seal the deal.

I was definitely rooting for Nora, but I thought her end result lacked punch. I couldn’t really see it as a character in a TV show. She chose the “opposite of scary/Marilyn” approach, but the problem is that lambs aren’t scary in the first place. So the TV show in which her character would appear would be like the old Dinosaurs TV show, but with sheep. Ooooo, scary. Not. Still, glad she made it to the finals.

I agree with the critique on the Uncle. They were going for an Uncle Fester, my god, what is that thing, creepiness, but instead, kind of wound up with just a really, really creepy looking human. Creepy, but well within the human norm. And kind of disgusting. Again, not something you’d want to see on a weekly TV show. But it was really well done, in a week where, in my opinion, no one else really knocked it out of the park.

The “bully”, I thought was fine, but was conceptually lazy. Big dumb jock is exactly where you’d go with that, horns or no.

Spinster Aunt – ah, I could see it in a muppet sort of show. But I think he did miss the point – he positioned the character in a wacky scenario from one show, rather than focusing on the character itself. Not bad, but not good enough to make it past the play-offs.

This really was about the first time this season that I seriously disagreed with the final decision – I think on the strength of his concept, Scott should have gotten the nod.

As usual, thanks for the great summary, Irishman!

My wife was not happy. She also thought it would be Ben, Nora, and Scott and was NOT happy when he wasn’t him. Because of that, she wants Nora to win.

I think I agreed with Irishman a while ago in saying that Scott’s style seems “safe.” His one win was in an area he already knew well. But even then, he never pushed himself. Good consistency but that won’t get you into the finale.

I think ever since Ben won after the upgraded alien, I was impressed by him and wanted to see him in the finals. I’m happy with Nora there as well. For me, it’s those two. Again I agree with Irishman in that Evan can follow directions well but not sure he’s a concept guy?

Looking forward to the finale. Having said that, I do think this season’s contestants were a bit lackluster, so I’m also looking forward to the next season.

Right, got that. It’s just that those two guys behind the new show specifically stated they’re concentrating on bone structure and related physiology.

The rest seemed to follow a set pattern. If you recall, the challenge inspired by “Defiance” featured hypothetical hybrids.

Did anyone watch the 15 min preview that was on Thursday? We haven’t yet because if it’s just spoilers for the finale, we don’t want to see it!

I started to watch it and it was too spoiler-y for me so I deleted it from my DVR.

I’m still sad Scott went home. :frowning: I would have loved to see Scott, Ben, and Nora in the finale.

I figured it would be spoilers, so I will be deleting it unwatched as well! Thanks!

I saw it on my DVR’s schedule a couple days ahead of time and told it not to record. :slight_smile:

Tonight, once again they show a creative flair for this season with a great Final challenge, to create character looks to fit a script for short films, and then they get a screen test for evaluation and a chance to adjust to critiques from the director. Patrick Tatopoulis is the director for the films.

Nora picked Jasmine and Meg for her team. They get “The Prey”, where one character is being chased through the forest by another character. I think Nora did a decent job of dividing the work and still keeping oversight and making sure she did a lot. When they got to the screen test, the tree creature definitely looks great. She spotted the fact it looked to red at first, and they fixed it. I’m a little less sold on her prey creature, the sculpt for the face. The forehead looks too amorphous, not like damage or organic features. Patrick gives her very minor critiques for changes to make them read better. I think she’s in the strongest position at this point.

Ben picked Jordan and Scott. I think that put him with the strongest help. His film is “The Resurrection”, where an alien priest is resurrecting an older mummified alien form. They had problems with their pieces having lots of sharp mold lines, and spent a lot of time fixing the appliances for application, so they struggled with paint. I’m not sold on the look of the aliens being cohesive, but Patrick said that the one is the older predecessor species, so it works enough for him. The applications are a bit less than finished, which Ben knew going in, but those areas stood out. The paint on the mummy guy isn’t bad except too dark around the eyes. The priest didn’t get those comments. He’s got a few things to fix, but overall not too much to change.

Evan picked Kevon and Stevie. This feels like the weakest team to me, first with Evan himself and then with his two picks. This film is “Quarantine Zone”, which involves two characters who are infected by some disease. He goes for some kind of vein bulging growths that come out. This one is a total mess to me. The wanderer character’s costume is the wrong color, too green and dark. Okay. Under the filters, the face needs to be brighter. That’s a fair observation and something what the screen test should reveal. But Patrick thinks she looks too healthy. I think the level of infection is right but needs to affect her look in other ways. Then there’s the prisoner who is tied up. Ack. This sculpt looks dreadful to me. This is supposed to be a human? Patrick talks about mellowing it out, removing the snaggle tooth, working the color around the eyes, adding patchy hair. And he needs to balance the color between the two better. This one has a lot of work, probably some resculpting on both. And a lot of paint work. He’s at the bottom by a long distance for now.

So they got their feedback, they have another two days - one working and one applying. But, in true Face Off form, they throw in another twist. Script change means they have to create a third character. Wheee.

The other question that comes to my mind, Nora’s team stumble on to the color scheme for their tree guy, but now they have to try to duplicate it. I know it’s a standard skill they need, to be able to duplicate their paint job over and over. This is interesting. I’m excited for next week.

Evan’s creature just made me sadder that Scott was eliminated. It looked like a Halloween costume cobbled together at the last moment from plastic bags and random stuff from the pantry.

Nora’s “prey” creature looks a little too human – I think the facial appliances are a bit too subtle. As a result, I’m getting a “hot starlet in furs fleeing Sleestaks in Land of the Lost” or maybe “Green alien chick on Star Trek” vibe.

I’m not sure how Ben is going to fix the “raccoon eyes” on the resurrected creature – the big eye hollows in the sculpt are really going to generate lots of shadows.

This really is an interesting challenge – probably much closer to the actual experience of working in film than the previous end-of-season dance spectacles.

A good episode!

I am sure Patrick Tatopoulis is a very nice person, and is obviously an actual professional … but it makes me roll my eyes when the show (including the contestant’s reactions) acts as if Steven Spielberg or someone THAT famous was coming to direct.

Ben definitely picked the best team … so I was a little surprised that the results didn’t stand out more. It seems fine to me, but not that exciting, either.

I think Nora has a solid team, and I agree that their tree-hunter guy is cool, and will be even better with a little adjustment in response to Patrick’s feedback. I’m not sold on the prey character – she looked a little like a lukewarm Gollum to me. I think they should either go full with more of a beauty makeup pixie/wood sprite character … or something more like an actual creature.

Evan. Man, what is going on there? And my jaw was dropping that he picked the worst team! (I liked both of them as individuals, and they each had some solid creations, but overall they were both consistently poor at thinking conceptually, which is Evan’s own problem). The one potentially interesting twist with his is that Evan did so well last week in responding to feedback. Perhaps with Patrick’s explicit comments, he’ll be able to do the same thing again. Timewise, though, he seems too far behind to do THAT much starting over. I thought it was telling that he seemed 100% dismayed by the addition of another character, almost as if he is surprised that the final challenge is that much work.

I am interested to see how the third characters come into this.

I love their “twist.” What a surprise.

When they announced at the beginning of the show that only two characters would be built I said to my wife “It’s always been three in past seasons. They’ll announce the third one as a ‘surprise.’” Lo and behold, there is now a third character required. What a surprise! And I love how all the contestants respond like this challenge is new and unheard of and not just what every other finalist has always had to do. I’m sure the producers prompted those reactions and this is the first time I’m accusing FaceOff of that.

Unfortunately, the rest of the episode produced no other surprises either. I am thoroughly underwhelmed by everything they made. The tree demon is leading the pack so far, but even it doesn’t seem a sure bet for top looks if it had been submitted five or six weeks ago.

Not that that’s a bad thing. :wink: Stylistically, there’s a justification. Part of SF is projecting humanity onto the characters. This story seems aimed at empathizing with the character being chased, so there’s a strong justification to make it fairly human in appearance.

That said, the “monster chases woman” aspect is pretty cliche. So, is the third character a hero to rescue her?

It’s surprising what a light paint job would do. Use light bright shades and the eyes will pop more and look less like a raccoon mask.

Yes, this is very film industry focused challenge, which is the staple of the industry.

Yes, thanks for voicing what I couldn’t quite conceptualize. Gollum - 'nuff said.

Yeah, they are given 2 days, which means one full day to redesign and build, and one application day and shoot. It sounded like a lot of time for simple corrections from the film test, so throwing in a third character isn’t that surprising. They’ve done the “oh yeah, you have to do a third character” before.

Evan’s problem is he is looking at essentially redesigning both of his characters, with new sculpts and molds. The subtle one needs more, the other needs a lot less. With his team, he might could have used the feedback and come back with something different and better, but now he has a whole third character to create. That will kill his workload. So he was thinking it was going to be tough but possible to come back to now basically feeling like he’s starting over with 2 days to build 3 characters.

Speculating:

“The Prey” has a hunter and a prey, so probably a hero.

“Quarantine Zone” has a wanderer and a captive, so presumably a captor.

“The Resurrection” has a priest and a zombie. I’m going to speculate a female character, so a priestess, or possibly a queen. Or a goddess. Yeah, that’s most likely.

Round 2.

So they got 2 days then application day, so that’s a little better. And they got a third helper, so that’s good. That gave them a lot of time to prepaint, something that rarely happens.

Then they spread filming over 2 days, which makes sense.

Evan, “Quarantine Zone” - Third character added was a fully infected and transformed monster. So he did the only sensible thing, and he redesigned the captive to be less transformed, and then came up with a somewhat better design for the fully transformed monster. Overall, the transformation seems to make some sense of progression. He and his team did a lot to recover from the screen test, and the results were much better.

On the film, a couple minor complaints. First, who tied up the captive? The monster? Someone else? It doesn’t seem to make sense that the monster tied him up. Also, Patrick didn’t like the coat and wanted to ditch it, fine, but then he put it into the story where the wanderer first is in the coat, then ditches it. I approve that he showed her taking it off since he had her in it at first, but to me that doesn’t make a lot of sense to just throw away a coat. Should have just not had the coat at all.

Nora, “The Prey” - Her third character wasn’t so much a hero, but rather a male from the female’s tribe that set up a trap for the hunter. Good story element, as “The Prey” then becomes a twist title. Her characters did have cohesiveness. They looked complete and really worked on screen well. It looks like my concern about how to match the previous paint job was justified. They struggled with the color on the hunter. But this set was most complete in the screen test, the third character was fully realized and really tied to the prey, and Nora did a great job adapting to the on set needs.

Ben, “Resurrection” - His third character was a female character, but an offering from the priest to the beast. I’m not thrilled with the design. I struggled to see connection in form to the other two. They don’t have hair and have that stylized head, and she has hair. I know that helps sell beauty to the audience, but it doesn’t seem sensible. And the application issues made the mouth a bit of a mess. And the design in the cheeks didn’t work, so it didn’t come off quite as beautiful as hoped. As far as detail, he fixed all the issues with the application on the other two, and enhanced the beast’s back design. Those two really came together well.

If Ben’s third character had been better, he might have won. But with the problems there, that left Nora with the best overall result. Evan made a lot of improvement, but I still didn’t like the fully transformed look.

Winner: Nora.

Was she meant to be an alien too? I might have missed that in the dialogue. To me, she looked like a human who’d been severely beaten and then tied up. She would probably be beautiful after all the bruises and swelling went away. Obviously a serious flaw if that’s the way I read her.

Nora certainly deserved the win here. I don’t really feel like she’s the best overall - I kind of feel like she simply had a couple of strong showings at the right moment*. Still, she was miles ahead of the second place looks in this finale.

*But I kind of feel that way about most people this season. Any of about six of them could have won this if you re-arranged the shows on which they had good or bad work. No one seemed particularly consistent in quality.