An excellent point. The corporations want us focused on whether or not the parents are just greedy SOBs. But they may have better motivations.
I was just thinking that this thread was badly in need of some class, and I appreciate you for providing it here.
Wow. That was a terrible thing to say about a deceased person. However she died.
That’s not a bad argument but the tea is served in different sized cups. so it isn’t going to work well. Especially since the information is displayed where a person concerned with caffeine can see and evaluate.
I read a few articles and I don’t see anything about the parents asking for a specific amount of money nor do I see anything about Panera or anyone else claiming that they are being greedy. If they are just wanting the company to make information about the product more clear, as they have recently done, I fully support that.
The facts are that she had become a member of their free refill club shortly prior to her death. No one has any idea how much she actually drank. It could have been just a small cup or three large cups.
Exactly one large cup is 390 mg of caffeine which is about 1.5 cups of coffee. USDA recommended maximum is 400 mg and clearly lots of people drink more than that on a daily basis. Lethal dose for a healthy person is 10,000 mg.
Until now, there has never been a reported problem of any kind with this lemonade.
I want to side-step the discussion about whether the caffeine was excessive and exactly how big or explicit the signage was or should have been and go back to talking about some specifics of the case.
Ideally, is there any evidence that the deceased was confused about the actual caffeine content, or that there was any in the drink at all? The original reporting indicated she was there with friends - who may or may not have known of her vulnerability, but could possibly establish how much she drank (such as refills) or if she mentioned (as an example only) saying she was “just having one” to mitigate the risk.
Presumably most if not all of them would be adults (in the same age group) and therefore able to speak to family or the press about the circumstances at the time. But other than mentioning the presence, I haven’t seen/heard any statements from them. I find it interesting that there are none published, as we all know that the shock journalism sells clicks. But I think the SDMB is a bit better.
I’m not saying Panera is innocent, and I’m glad they’re putting better, clearer information in place. Nor do I want the deceased to be blamed in what could easily have been a simple misunderstanding. I just want more facts, more testimony, and less speculation. As such, I endorse the case, because it may well provide the above, including my desire for witness testimony. But I don’t think I’ll prejudge the feasibility of said case until I do know more.
And I don’t see any point in the posters tearing into each other over who is a Heartless Corporation / Greedy Ambulance chaser until we all have those facts.
Well, this young lady got the death penalty. I’m not sure what else you can suggest.
Nothing at all wrong with saying " . . . the dead woman could have asked . . ." but insulting a person who paid the ultimate price for a clearly minor mistake is a bit much. Don’t you think?
The Tide Pod debacle should remind us all young people do dumb things.
Just like this warning wasn’t necessary until it was.
Is that supposed to be something recognizable? It looks like many other holes in cardboard boxes that are used as hand holds. Without knowing what that is a picture of, why should we know that a warning was needed?
I was wondering the same thing. Is there a story we should know?
There is no upper (lower?) limit to the inattention, ineptness, and general foolhardiness of the general public. Nor to the grasping nature of the PI plaintiffs’ Bar and the I-wanna-win-the-lottery public.
In a world where every minor mishap is a crisis that Must Not be Repeated we get ridiculous levels of corporate CYA. Most of which is both unnecessary and ineffective. But endlessly entertaining.
Every time we have an employee do something boneheaded someone will invariably suggest we add something to the policy or put a notification somewhere for others to see. That makes sense when you see multiple employees making the same mistake, but it doesn’t make sense when it’s an odd event you’ve never seen before and are unlikely to see again.
Certainly the case with this person.
There will be no repeat of this error.
Every new ladder sold has like eight stickers on them. They are probably all the result of a consumer doing something idiotic which led to a lawsuit. Virtually no one reads them, they don’t prevent anyone from doing the idiotic thing again and add to the cost of the ladder. The only ones who make out are the lawyers and the sticker manufacturers.
Yeah, and the one sticker that really needs to be on a ladder is never present:
“Don’t just casually toss this ladder into the bed of your overloaded work truck and drive on the freeway. This means you, Mr. Yard Guy!”
I can’t find one around here. All the ones I checked the last two days at the gas station and 7-11 top out at 200mg. (If you count 5 hour Energy shots, the extra strength is still only 230mg). There may be some that don’t, but I’d like to know what they are so if I need an extra kick I know what to look for. At any rate, it’s not especially relevant as we see the large cups of coffee being sold and their caffeine content which can easily eclipse 300mg per container.
I confess that I got my information from a search of highest caffeine drinks. I never drink energy drinks so they may be very rarely available. I did this to check on what turned out to be a laughably erroneous assertion that Panera lemonade was some sort of extreme outlier.
Here’s the cite
Thanks. I recognize the Java Monster and Bang there. But I’m not sure I’ve seen the triple shot version of the Monster. I’ll have to look out for that bang. I’m kind of wondering if there might be some limitation here on caffeine content or whether it’s just low demand for the super high caffeinated bevs.