Takin’ on the LOTR fanboyz! You have huge balls gobear, and they’d better be brass ones too!
Well said Gobear, people bringing up changes in the movies have always irritated me, theres only one I dont like.
The next time someone comes along complaining about Jackson’s changes, instead of getting annoyed just simply remind them that its a movie basedon a book. Ive said that lots in the last day or so, maye it will eventually sink in, I mean after all, it is the in the ending credits!
However in saying that, I dont agree wth your analysis of the books at all. They are excellant pieces of work.
You know, I just have this odd vision of Glorfindel riding out of Rivendell on his pretty horsie with all the tinkling bells…
…and then Arwen leaps out from behind a bush, knocks him off his horse, ties him up, steals his sword and horse, and leaves him in a tree.
“Bugger off, old man,” she says. “I’m going to save the day this time. Besides, I glow prettier than you.”
Seriously? I’m enough of a fangirl that I notice the little weird things. And there’s things I would have changed in most of the movies. But – but but but! I love them immensely and think PJ’s done a better job than anyone else would’ve been allowed to do.
It could have been so, so, so horrible…and it ended up being luminously beautiful. Elves at Helm’s Deep? Well, it didn’t happen in the books, but PJ made it work. (I would have had severe stomach upset if he’d brought Arwen there, though. Too much grrl power.)
The fact that Peter Jackson managed to make changes to the plots that die-hard fans (like yours truly) can look at and say “Not canonical, but not bad either” is a very good sign for him. He knew what changes to make, what things to leave out, what things to add…I’ve got differences of opinion here and there, but I can definitely appreciate the films for what they are – films.
I know plenty of fanboys, though, who are utterly enraged about the (in my opinion) teensiest little things, to the point that they don’t enjoy the movies.
Sucks to be them. 
I haven’t read any of the books because, frankly, I haven’t been interested in them. UNTIL I saw the movies. After I see RotK, I’ll read them. But it’s kind of fun not knowing what’s gonna happen, which I wouldn’t have going for me if I’d memorized the books. Or even read them. As it is, I have NO idea what’s gonna happen in the 3rd one. None at all. And that’s kind of fun.
My favorite part of the movies so far? The Ents. I wish there were more Ent scenes. Man, they rock.
And if FanBoys think what PJ did with these movies were bad, tell them to first read Vampire Lestat and Queen of the Damned by Anne Rice, then go watch QotD on video. The WORST book to movie I’ve EVER seen. Ever. It’s atrocious. shudder
Or mithril.
Woohooo! I can never argue enough about LOTR book/film. They out to do a Prime Minister’s Question Time about it.
Anyway, I think we should all be grateful that out of those most bookish of books PJ has created the most filmic of films. I am in complete agreement with Fish about this. Every single one of the changes were done for filmic reasons (some more obviously than others). Some changes, if PJ et al had had more time (and they admit this, on the commentaries), would have been done differently, but they still would have been filmic.
Another issue is that LOTR is a big old mish-mash of stuff, and some bits suit certain media better than others. Ginormous battles, for example, are made for film. Nuff said. Frodo and Sam wandering around a load of rocks with Gollum isn’t very visual but is ideally suited for radio (which is why I like this bit best in the BBC Radio version). This is a film, so PJ had to make it all filmic.
Okay, so I’m sick of the word ‘filmic’ now. But you know what I mean.
FWIW, last Christmas my sister gave me the DVD of FOTR. I still haven’t been able to watch more than the first half-hour.
Enh, what are they going to do? Shatter his self-esteem by flaming him in philologically-analyzed Quenyan?
It’s hard to be offended by Tolkien nerds; they, like any other fundamentalist, are more to be pitied than censured.
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I love the movies (like I loved the book), and the music is magnificent. I keep on playing the soundtracks in my car to and from work. Gollums song is one of the best songs ever.
Now see…that would NEVER work. Sauron can’t dance to save his life. He has that whole white boy/no rhythm thing down pat. 
Considering that Morgoth sang out of tune, and Sauron being his servant, I thin Sauron is too, tune-deaf.
Yeah, but I thought Morgoth did it on purpose, not because he was tone deaf. He was sort of the John Coltrane of the Valar.
I think Sauron could sing in tune if he wished.
Hmmm…that would explain the off-key singing in the car…
It all makes sense now.
Imagine If Lord of the Rings had been written by someone else! :eek:
One thing you apologists can’t close your eyes and explain away is the scene where Frodo almost gives the ring to the Nazgul in TTT. That opens up an unnecessary Mack truck sized plot hole where Sauron knows that Frodo has the ring and where it is.
Not really. Clearly, the ring is trying to get back to Sauron, but there is no indication that Sauron knows that Frodo has the ring ro that the nazgul knew what Frodo was doing on the parapet.
Another possible explanation - this achieve the same thing as Pippin looking into the palantir - Sauron thought that Gondor has the ring.
Which also meant to say Pippin looking into the palantir in ROTK is of less significant except that he didn’t spill the beans, informed Sauron that there’s more than one Hobbit, that there’s still a heir of Isludr and possiblity just because PJ need to whisk Pippin to Minas Tirth.
Meh.
The 1978 animated LOTR beats them all!
First off: I agree with you on this point. This, along with Aragorn falling off the cliff, are two of the changes that, frankly, just aren’t necessary.
However, one could argue that although the Nazgul obviously knows where the Ring is at that point, the assumption would be that the Ring is being taken to Gondor to help in the war (since Osgiliath is basically a hop, skip and jump from Minas Tirith).
On preview, as an answer to gobear: I think it has to be obvious the Nazgul knew the Ring was right in front of him on the parapet, when Frodo was holding it. The Ring acts as a beacon to the creatures – in both FOTR and TTT, it’s indicated the Nazgul can sense the Ring from a good distance away. However, he couldn’t see Frodo on the parapet unless Frodo put on the Ring, which Sam prevented.
Yeah, I know, there’s no point to the scene. We already know Frodo is being corrupted by the Ring, and is falling under its power, so there’s not really a reason to show that again. But from an internal logic standpoint, the scene doesn’t discount the rest of the story.