Unnecessary Adaptations (A TTT Rant) **Spoilers**

I’ve finally gone and seen The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. Retail doesn’t leave you with a whole lot of down time from work during the Xmas season. I’ve been reading the various threads posted in here regarding the movie, and rather than try to post in all of them, I’m condensing into my own new thread.

The theme of this rant: the film made adaptations totally unnecessary to the filming of the story.

In my opinion, there are three legitimate reasons to change a story line when filming a book. The first is in order to keep the length of the film manageable. An example would be the exclusion from the first film of the meeting with Bombadil. The second is to avoid having to show something you can’t film within budget. As an example, you might drop out of a movie outdoor scenery that would require taking a film crew half-way around the world, when failing to show it won’t change the basic plot. The third would be to avoid showing offensive scenes not basic to the plot of the movie. One might delete gratuitous references to the “inferiority” of blacks in a filming of an early nineteenth century American novel if the story didn’t hinge on such characterizations.

I do NOT consider it valid to change a plot merely to try and make the plot “better.” For goodness sake, if you’re going to do that, then write your own damned story; don’t piggy-back off someone else’s success. After all, presumably the story as written is pretty good, else why are you making a movie of the book in the first place?

With that in mind, there are some very jarring “adaptations” of The Two Towers for which none of the above reasons seems applicable.

WARNING: Don’t read past this point if you don’t want the movie experience spoiled! I’m not bothering to hide everything in some damn box everyone else has to click and drag to uncover.

  1. Faramir. This is the most obvious of the gratuitous changes. I’ve read how some think this enhances the movie. Baloney. In the book, this scene is one of the most powerful scenes! Faramir, a man, a member of the race that will inherit the whole of Middle-Earth as a result of what Frodo and Sam are tying to do, has the chance to grab the Ring and take it to Daddy, or use it himself. Instead, and completely at odds with the choice his brother eventually makes, Faramir rejects the temptation and sends Frodo on his way. All of which makes the whole effort by Frodo worth-while. Mankind IS worth saving, if it still breeds people like Faramir. And don’t hand me that whimpy nonsense about Aragorn needing distinction; Aragorn has spent 87 years living a life devoted to trying to overthrow Sauron; his whole damn love-life depends on his success. He’s gone places and done things no one else of humankind could have attempted; he doesn’t need to be distinguished by his own refusal to “take” the ring. Indeed, the extent of his difference from the rest of humankind is evidenced by the fact that Tolkein doesn’t even have him undergo a “test” on this; he never even thinks about taking the ring from Frodo. Nothing is added to the plot by Faramir’s capture of Frodo, other than a silly and inconsistent scene where the chief Nazgûl confronts Frodo in Osgiliath, thus alerting Sauron to the presence of the ring just outside Mordor and undoubtedly causing him to issue a horde of orcs in search of all of Ithilien for the damn ring, which thus never has any chance of sneaking into Mordor via Kirith Ungol. Sure, you could have written the story this way, but the point is, Tolkein DIDN’T. So why change it??

  2. Entmoot. I’ve got to agree that the most boring part of The Two Towers (book) is the Entmoot. Walking through the forest with Quickbeam for three days while the Ents make up their mind is not exactly high drama. I expected it to be cut from the movie.

But for the Ents to meet and reject the concept of helping in the war makes them out to be totally selfish creatures, LESS than men and elves and dwarves! And how silly is it that, when “duped” by Pippen into seeing the devastation of the southern eaves of Fangorn by the orcs, one bellow from Treebeard brings them all out ready to march to war??? I mean, come on! That part of the movie seemed like any stupid fantasy movie, with poor plots, bad writing and insipid acting. All to make Merry and Pippen look “better” by inspiring the march of the Ents? Hell, that could have been done by having them address the Entmoot, which would only have involved making a speech up; something Jackson showed early on he didn’t mind doing with these movies.

  1. Aragorn falls off cliff. Ok, I can’t quite figure out what this adds to the movie, other than a chance for Éowyn to react to his dissapearance and his appearance. The whole showy thing about the choice of Arwen could have been put in even with out Aragorn’s fall; heck it even would have made sense, in a way, to have something in there, given that Elrond sends help Aragorn’s way in the book, after receiving messages from Galadriel, along with the banner made by Arwen. Why invent a battle that never happens in the book, a fall that never happens, and a hokey rescue via the influence of Arwen and the intervention of Hasufel?

  2. Rohan. Éomer meets Aragorn on way back from destroying orcs against Théoden’s orders. Éomer gets clapped in jail at Gríma Wormtongue’s suggestion. Théodred dies in battle and is brought back to rest before the king. Gandalf arrives with Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, and manages to overcome the evil counsel of Wormtongue, exciting the King to action and getting him to release Éomer from jail. King, Éomer, Gandalf, Aragorn, et al. leave Edoras with a strong troop of horsemen, all told about a thousand, to ride to the ford of the River Isen to meet up with the main army. On the way, they find out to their dismay that the army is already defeated; they must turn instead to the fortress at Helm’s Deep, and hold it against the untold legions of Saruman’s army, which they manage to do successfully, helped in the end by the arrival of the remainder of the army lead by Gandalf. The women and children stay in Edoras, of course, which is, after all, some 100 miles from Helm’s Deep!

Now, it simply puzzles me to figure out what part of this excellent tale needed to be changed. Specifically, what in the world required Jackson to banish Éomer, take all the people of Rohan (apparently a fairly smallish place given that its capital, Edoras, looks to hold some couple hundred people at best) on a march to Helm’s Deep, have Théodred die in Edoras, have Théoden argue with Gandalf and Aragorn about how to fight the war, insisting on going to Helm’s Deep, etc. It doesn’t shorten the movie, it doesn’t avoid filming something that would be difficult to film, it doesn’t really add anything to the plot, it simply changes it.

The most bizzare part about these changes is that Jackson stayed quite faithful to the story as written of the battle of Helm’s Deep! So much so that one could hardly quibble with it at all! The only change of note was that the culvert only gets attacked once, by the prepared explosives of Saruman. But Aragorn’s defence of the gate through the postern; the culvert blast; the retreat into the keep; and, of course, the great ride forth by Théoden and Aragorn at dawn are all quite well done. And the battle is probably the one part one might have expected the movie to change, in an attempt to show off the graphics, shorten the story, etc. It’s almost as if Jackson saw this battle as the focus of the movie, the one thing he wanted to film faithfully, and the rest of the book as merely filler on the way to the battle and the next movie.

In the end analysis, I maintain that none of these four plot changes was necessary, nor did they add anything truly important enough to tinker with the tail. The hubris of the writer is evident, unable to simply leave the story as it was, insisting on imprinting the movie with the writer’s own stamp. Anyone can do that; to have stayed true to the movie AND made it exciting would have shown some TRUE genius.

Wow. Feel better now that you’ve gotten that off your chest?

You may want to read this interview with Peter Jackson and Philippa Boyens that explains the reasons behind some of the changes. Or this article at theonering.net that responds to some of the changes you’ve mentioned.

I don’t think I approve of the Aragorn’s near-death subplot, but I do think I know why they did it. The audience needs to see A. go through some trials to “earn” the rewards he gets at the end. In the book, you know that he’s already had literally decades of suffering, adventure, and hard work to develop into the person he is; in a movie, it has to happen on-screen. That I can go along with.

The reason I don’t like that part of the movie has to do with a comment I read by a reviewer (who apparently wasn’t very familiar with the book): “Doesn’t anybody stay dead in this story?” That makes me think that maybe having “resurrections” all over the place diminishes the impact of Gandalf’s real return from the dead. Thoughts, everybody?

I agree with c_carol. All the resurrections remind me of War and Peace where a single character,

Andrei, is falsely thought to be dead not once, but twice. At the end, he dies for a third time, finally for good.

However, I think Aragorn’s almost-death was worth it since it brought on perhaps the best pun in the movie.

Eowyn: Lord Aragorn? Where is he?
Gimli: He fell.

Rimshot!

huh? i don’t get it.

He fell = he died in battle

vs.

He fell = he fell off a cliff

I would like to establish something too, that has been mentioned but ignored. Making a movie is much different from a book. I have looked into the process and have actually read books on this sort of thing. One of the first rules i learned was “SHOW…DON’T TELL!” I am a personal believer that adaptations do not mean photo-copies.

Given that, i would like to say that i enjoyed the changes. What makes this new trilogy worth watching is that it is an interpretation of a collection of similar people, something that was said to never have been able to be done (…)

Granted, some of the changes are strange, but their point is for visual emphasis. When making movies, you have to assume that people aren’t interested in long dialogue talking about what was done. I admit, i am one of those people. What the Warg Rider attack set up, besides the whole Aragorn thing, was the desperation of Saruman to please Sauron. It is a subtle thing, but almost unnoticeable.

Watch the film again and just watch it this time. Allow the story to just wash over you and envelope you. Once you do that, i can assure you that you will be more forgiving. Its a fact of life that adaptations will never be perfect. Just accept them and enjoy them. I sure as hell am…!

Ok, let’s bury that film not needing to copy the book thing right now.

No one “adapts” Dickens. No one “adapts” Shakespeare. No one creates new subplots when filming Guliver’s Travels, or War and Peace. Leastways, not good versions. You will see cuts, but as I noted, cuts are acceptable.

Tolkein is as much “classical” literature as Dickens. And, further, the point is that there isn’t any point to the changes except to tell the story a different way. If you want to do that, just write a whole new story. Don’t piggyback on someone else’s success.

When you read that interview with Peter Jackson, what he is saying, basically, is “I can write the story better than Tolkein did, create more tension, better plot development, so that’s what I’m going to do.” Well, my response remains: then go write your own damn story. Don’t muck with one that has stood the test of time for 45+ years without anyone thinking “gee, wouldn’t it have been great if Faramir had captured Frodo and been just a little evil?” :rolleyes:

Well, that’s your opinion. Others might have a different one. Frankly although I certainly LIKE LOTR a lot more than anything Dickens wrote (I hate that crap) I don’t see it as approaching Shakespearian infallibility. The books were great as mythic tales but as far as novels go, they weren’t really as well paced or as deeply-characterized as they could have been.
And you just CAN’T really film a mythic tale with no changes. Can you imagine a modern audience sitting through a word-for-word, scene-for-scene film of the Iliad? Even with some cuts for brevity?
And I will tell you right now, the Iliad is on a level that Tolkien will NEVER be. But if it were filmed, some things would have to be changed because a FILM is not the same as a book, particularly a mythological epic.

I don’t think Peter Jackson is claiming he can “write the story better than Tolkien did” at all–he is obviously a man who has a great respect for (and knowledge of) the books. I believe what he is claiming is that he can make a movie better than Tolkien “would have been able to.” If we assume that “true” version of the trilogy (perhaps as Tolkien “would have done it”) is simply the books translated verbatim into moving pictures, then I definitely agree with Jackson. Film is simply a very different media with different artists that understand it. From all that I’ve read by and about Jackson, I believe that he’s definitely a first-rate film artist.

But here’s where your second point comes in–the “Don’t piggyback on someone else’s success.” I think if Jackson were merely hitching a ride on the Tolkien bandwagon, his movies wouldn’t have involved nearly the effort, time, research, and love that’s evident in them. Getting a major studio to finance 16 months of shooting half way across the globe on a project featuring no incredibly big names… that definitely seems to me like a gamble that Jackson and Co. were only willing to take because of their respect for the material they were working with. Also, the act of shooting all three at once shows a great deal of sincerity–if Jackson were merely interested in riding on Tolkien’s success, he could have waited for the first movie to be a smash hit then put it nill effort on the second two because he would have gotten his revenues anyway (see: George Lucas).

Last of all–I guess you might say “If Jackson respected the work so much, why did he change it?” Of course this question can never have a completely satisfactory answer, but I think in attempting to answer it you have to look at what he changed. I think the most complaints have been on Faramir, the Aragorn/falling scene, and Treebeard’s character differences. Even when you add the other inconsistencies to these examples, you don’t come up with a list that forces Jackson to tamper with the book’s spirit. Facts, events, plot devices, even people–these will always be changed or tinkered with when books go to film, whether the changes are for good or ill. But–barring a complete story change or something else crucially wrong–I believe that these pale in comparison to a story’s ultimate purpose and message. I believe both Tolkien’s novel and Jackson’s book are rare and brilliant in that they capture the growing tragedy of this story. Tolkien knew that he wasn’t writing another “There And Back Again” and Jackson isn’t trying to film one. The overtones of sadness, and the complete absence of glamour in the war scenes, are both incredibly important thematic aspects of the book that the movie captures completely. All in all, I highly respect Peter Jackson’s adherance to the spirit of Tolkien’s novels thus far.
Although we may all disagree about the movie, it’s great to know there are so many devoted Tolkien readers and supporters out there.

-Epigramcracker

Wow, the title of the OP should have been “Cliff’s Notes on all the other Two Towers threads.”

DSYoungEsq, you said "No one ‘adapts’ Dickens. No one ‘adapts’ Shakespeare."

Really? Did you see the movie Great Expectations with Paltrow, Hawke, and Deniro?

Ten Things I Hate About You was an adaptation of The Taming of the Shrew.

I didn’t see it, but there was a recent movie called O which was an adaptation of Othello.

I seem to remember a few years ago there was a film that adapted another Shakespearean play (Henry V?) to WWII.

And, how about this: IIRC, in the early 80’s play-on-film version of Dickens’ Nicholas Nickelby. there is a play-within-the-play in which the ending of Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet is totally revised so that it has quite a happy ending! Apparently that was the fashion in Nickelby’s time–to give Shakespeare’s tragedies happy endings. (I can’t remember whether this was in the novel–if not then we’ve got a stage adaptation of the novel to include an adaptation of Shakespeare!)

I don’t think these Lord of the Rings movies would be quite as good if they followed the books precisely. Really, I think that many of the changes have made sense. (though I didn’t like the fake death of Aragorn any more than anyone else).

Rarely does a movie based on a novel stay as true to the source as these LOTR movies have. We should be thankful–not jumping down PJ’s throat for some forgivable (if annoying) diversions from the original story.

As has been pointed out, people do adapt Shakespeare all the time, but, furthermore, Shakespeare’s a slightly different case. Unlike Dickens, or Tolkien, or any novelist, Shakespeare wrote for performance. So if you’re going to film his stuff you have slightly less work to do… :wink:

Yes they do. Do you think the play version of “A Christmas Carol” is word for word the same as the book?

Yes they do. They’ve been adapted for years. From the various versions of some of the plays, it’s quite likely that Shakespear himself “adapted” his own plays for the stage after they had already been written and published.

I’m willing to bet this has been done, although I can’t think of examples of such adaptations off the top of my head.

Heck, even the Bible has been adapted in countless ways.

Well, that’s rather subjective, isn’t it?

Beaten not once, but twice. I need to type faster.

Lovely that the OP started his own thread to air a bunch of gripes that had already been voiced in other threads. Maybe you should have gone to the pit instead?

It could be worse. Jackson could have decided the books were unadaptable and made a meta-movie about trying to adapt the book, including in his film an unflattering portrayal of Tolkien and a fictional twin brother.
'Course, I haven’t actually read The Orchid Theif, so I still want to see Adaptation. But I think my point is made.

Here’s my real response: you can change things and still be true to the story. Tolkien’s books weren’t divenly inspired. He had some pacing and character problems-- would you really have preferred the structure of the TT book (different subplots told sequentially) to the much more logical intercutting of the movie? Some of the changes (Aragorn over the cliff) may have been gratuitious, but I could see the rationale behind all of them.

I took a playwriting class last semester. The teacher was an accomplished playwrite and scriptwriter, and he knew his stuff. One of the exercises was a Chekov adapatation. This guy had huge respect for Chekov, of course. But one of the main things we were encouraged to do with with our adaptations was change stuff. Find out what works on the page and figure how to translate it to the stage. We were even encouraged to invent or composite characters, if neccesary.

The same principle goes for movies. It isn’t just pacing-- its showing us things that were told, giving us visual shorthand for some emotions and events, making things clearer to the audience. I didn’t get the Ent thing on first viewing, but I’ve realized that with a few powerful shots he’s shown us exactly why the Ents are fighting. He took some beautiful speeches and songs and condensed them into the best Greenpeace ad ever, one that got you fighting mad to storm Isengard.

Are there things I didn’t like? Yes-- nothing is 100% perfect. But I don’t consider any text completly sacred, no text that can’t be changed for dramatic purposes. Hell, let me give one last example. I’ve been a Spider-Man fan all my life. I grew up on the character and know his story backwards and forwards. I absolutly loved the recent movie-- it captured the spirit of the comic perfectly. It also changed a basic part of the story (the building of the webshooters). The rationale was perfectly clear, though, and it fit in much better then the original explanation woudl have…

I know I haven’t addressed the specific complaints (heck, I agree with the “Aragorn falling off the cliff” thing), because that’s not my problem with the OP. The idea that any text is too perfect to change ignores the fundemental differences between mediums.

Maybe addressing the OP a little more head-on: I have read that some prominent film adaptations of Oliver Twist deliberately change the scene where Bill Sikes is being chased by the law, so that he takes Oliver captive in the final showdown instead of the Artful Dodger or whichever of the other urchins appeared in that scene in the novel. According to the article I read, Dickens also knew that using Oliver instead of the other one would have been a better dramatic choice, but he couldn’t bear to have Oliver placed in danger again.

I think the OP’s complaint is a bit silly.

You can’t film a book. Well, you can, but it’d be pretty boring:

FADE IN: A library. Pan across to a table. On the table is a book. Dolly in to read the title: Lord of the Rings by J. R. R. Tolkein. A hand reaches in and turns to page one. Zoom in so that the text is readable. Hold long enough for the audience to read page 1. Turn to page 2. Repeat 1500 times. Pull back.
FADE OUT

On the other hand, I’m with you all the way. The only way to make a movie from some other source is to be as faithful as possible to the source material. I mean look at the movie Spider-Man.

I’ll only mention a few differences.

  1. In Amazing Fantasy #17, Uncle Ben is shot in his own home, not on the street. Sure, Stan Lee could have written the story that way, but the point is, he didn’t. This change doesn’t shorten the story, it doesn’t eliminate something that would be difficult to film, it just changes it.

  2. In issue #130, Peter’s college girlfriend that Green Goblin kidnaps and knocks off of the Brooklyn Bridge is Gwen Stacy, not Mary Jane Parker, Spider-Man has the flu when he fights the Goblin there, and he ends up killing Gwen when he tries to save her from her fall. None of these changes are neccesary to the story based on the excellent set of criteria set forth in the OP.

  3. In issue #131, when Spider-man finally tracks down the Goblin and battles him, the Goblin remote flies his Goblin Glider behind Peter, trying to inpale him in the back while he’s distracted. The director actually got this part right. Peter’s spider sense warns him of the glider, and in the book he ducks out of the way, and the glider hits and kills the Goblin, but in the movie, Peter backflips over the glider, which then kills the Goblin. This makes no sense at all–ducking would be much quicker than flipping.

In the end analysis, I maintain that none of these three plot changes was necessary, nor did they add anything truly important enough to tinker with the tale. The hubris of the writer is evident, unable to simply leave the story as it was, insisting on imprinting the movie with the writer’s own stamp. Anyone can do that; to have stayed true to the movie AND made it exciting would have shown some TRUE genius.

Why is that lovers of Dickens, Shakespeare, and Tolstoy tend to enjoy movie adaptations, but fanatics for Dr. Who, Spiderman, and Tolkien get hysterical when they see hobbits with pointy ears, thereby sapping any enjoyment they–and those around them–might have had?

I think some of the responses to the OP have been a little bit cranky and overly dismissive, because there are some valid points in the argument. And after all, the message title says “rant,” so it’s entitled to go a little overboard.

It all boils down to this:

I completely disagree. I think the theme of the original work (Epigramcracker called it the “spirit”) is far more important than the plot. If you’re going to limit yourself to following the existing plot verbatim, then there’s no point in making a movie of the story in the first place. The greatest achievement of an adaptation is if it conveys the theme of the original work in a different way.

As others have pointed out, saying that no one “adapts” Dickens or Shakespeare is demonstrably false. That’s not just an “oh yeah? Well you’re dumb!” comeback; it’s the entire reason that the works are regarded as timeless classics in the first place. The Taming of the Shrew, Kiss Me, Kate, and 10 Things I Hate About You are all very different movie adaptations of the same play. What’s important about the story isn’t its setting, or its dialogue, or even the details of the plot – what’s important is the theme, or in this case, the characters.

It’s ironic that the Lord of the Rings movies are being released the same time as the Harry Potter movies, because it just makes it that much more apparent how well Jackson et.al. adapted the book to film. The Harry Potter movies follow the rules of the OP; they just cut or trim scenes as necessary to fit in the time allowed. As a result, they’re nice to look at but instantly forgettable; they add nothing to the experience of reading the books. We’re shown exactly what happened in the books, but what’s left out is why all this stuff is important.

For example, in the first HP movie we’re shown all the key plot points of the first few chapters of the book, scene-by-scene and line-by-line. But it trims out all the narration, Harry’s internal thoughts, and any real sense of how long any of this takes. As a result, you don’t get the same feeling of just how awful and mundane Harry’s life was before he went to Hogwarts, and so the rest of the movie (if not the rest of the series) doesn’t feel as extraordinary. That’s an important theme of the books, that there’s this secret, fantastic world going on and the reader gets to escape to it in this big adventure. There’s no sense of that in the movie.

I don’t agree with all of the changes that Jackson et.al. made with the LotR movies, but I definitely understand why they were done. They understood that it was going to be necessary to show these characters reacting to situations, even if the situation wasn’t in the source material, to convey the major themes of the book that Tolkien expressed through pages and pages of backstory, exposition, and internal monologues. That’s not hubris, that’s talent. I’d read the book recently, so I knew what was going to happen and knew what the book says, but I still was surprised and genuinely moved by the movie; not just because of the spectacle, and not just because I remembered the book, but because it works as a movie. That’s the “TRUE genius.”