I wasn’t going to go there but, since you brought up the back of the bus…
In one scene zombies suddenly materialize all over a hotel, top to bottom, apparently attracted by the sound of discordant piano in the lobby. They walk through windows and, to get where some of them are, they must have overcome a series of doorways. Elsewhere, in Tijuana, the zombies apparently are defeated by the door on the back of a bus, which has no lock and merely a lever action closer. Curious! And annoying.
Hotel-related question – how much destruction can a zombie body take? I mean we’ve seen amputated limbs retain activity, same for heads, and legless torsos clawing along. We’ve seen some rather rotten zombies still managing to ambulate in some fashion. Is it canon that only a significant brain trauma does them in? Most laws of physics still seem to apply. So a zombie that fell 5 floors would be pretty much pulped, multiple bones broken, spinal cord severed in several places, chest and/or abdomen explosively opened. But does it need a spinal cord? Or bones, for that matter? Would it “ambulate” (and I use that word with some hesitation) like jello walking? The legs may have a bunch of new articulation points, but the muscles would still contract? The zombie might move more like an octopus than an anthropoid, but it could still do so as long as its skull wasn’t popped in the fall?
If so, then I’ll grant that some of the zombies that launched themselves at the hotel might manage to shamble along once again, depending on the height from which they fell.
Someone locked the zombies in their rooms. (Not to say they rounded them up, but they didn’t let the ones in the rooms out.) They they put ‘Do not disturb’ tags on the doors as warnings. All the zombies had to do to get out was walk out onto the balcony and fall over. No series of doorways. The ones we saw had not plummeted (presumably, others had before, but these didn’t), and didn’t go over the railings until drawn by the cacophony.
Why would anyone in the ZA sing loudly and play a piano badly? Tequila.
Same as in the real world.
The story line isn’t interesting enough to warrant my suffering thru the subtitles. I’ll probably watch several of the episodes - eventually. But not on Sunday night.
Sacrificing the dying to feed the dead (inside the wall) reminds me of Soylent Green. I believe it would be less painful if this group killed the sacrificial lamb (just?) before the walkers(?) torn their body to pieces? Are the writers channeling the Aztec sacrifices?
That’s another thing. If the walkers get you, they eat you. Yet, most of the walkers are mostly not eaten. Who is going around biting people, turning them into zombies but not eating them?
Zombies that were a bit slow. They were the ones people ran into around a corner that managed to get one bite in. Then the bitten ran off only to later turn into a zombie themselves.
I’ll watch the show but I am not eagerly turning the tv to AMC on a Sunday night. I’ll catch it Monday or later on AMC.com.
Singular bites where the victim escaped? Those who died of other causes and then turned? Agreed, there does still seem to be way more uneaten zombies than you’d expect. I still question (aside from people like Nick) not just killing the fuck out of them, especially an isolated pod in the middle of nowhere Mexican highway. The idiots in the Jeep had the right idea, but the folks on the hill could have picked off the stragglers.
And about those guys in the Jeep last week. Heavily armed, mobile, and still 2 out of 3 got totally overwhelmed by slow walking zombies. It reminded me of the guy in the Austin Powers movie trying to escape being run over by a steam roller by… standing still. So you’re having trouble re-loading (two words: speed loader). Don’t just stand there, walk calmly back to the Jeep, get in, drive 100 yards up the road, fire at leisure.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but what kept them indoors until now? If the answer is that there was nothing to rile them up until Strand’s crappy piano playing, I might get behind the idea that he deserves to be eaten for it. But otherwise I can’t envision a hotel full of zombies (or at least a good number of room-bound former guests) all so unmotivated that none of them wander over their balconies, at random, in a sort of Brownian motion of zombies, piling up in the courtyard where they’ll be noticeable. Even if they retain some ability to ambulate, they’ll be leaving bits and pieces all over the landscaping. Surely they didn’t all become zombified in utter quiet, nothing happening outside, all at once, and just stayed that way until our little band of merry adventurers came along?
I can envision and tentatively accept zombie inability to manipulate complex hotel door locks. So I can, arguendo, accept them being locked inside their rooms. But “locked in” must mean the balcony doors are also locked, otherwise we’d have that tacky zombies-over-the-balcony thing happening pretty much all the time, at random. I’d have expected the supply to have been exhausted before now, unless the hotel is on some kind of artesian well of new zombies. Now that would be something to watch for!!
So if the ones still in their rooms were still in their rooms because the doors were locked, then who opened the balcony doors for them?
I still wanna know why the pet zombies in Survivorville, who watch food come through that bus door routinely, haven’t yet blundered or futzed their way into it. It isn’t locked, guarded, nor even watched. And it is designed to be opened easily by children or adults, without instruction, in an emergency or panic situation. If that’s enough to keep out the zombie horde, it flies in the face of every other perilous situation these heroes, or their predecessors on Walking Dead, ever experienced.
That’s pretty much it. The assumption is that many zombies had already fallen out, and the ones that were still in the room didn’t. Perhaps they wandered to the balcony, hit the railing, and then turned around. Maybe they wandered onto the balcony, hit the railing, and almost went over, but didn’t and turned around. That doesn’t mean they won’t randomly fall, but randomness also includes periods of quiescence. Sometimes things don’t happen.
I agree with everyone who said that zombies that fell from high places should have been rendered immobile or dead-dead. In that case, there would be bodies everywhere. But it’s a TV show. Zombies are mobile when they need to be mobile. They’re quiet when they need to be quiet, and growl when they aren’t sneaking up on people. They can growl, but they don’t (AFAIK) breathe. Decomposition would render them immobile in relatively short order. How can they see when their eyes decompose? Where does their food go? Is it metabolised? If it is, where is the waste? If not, why don’t their abdomens rupture? Do they freeze solid in Winter?
Logically, zombies cannot be as they are portrayed. So I can accept that the ones who fell from balconies all ‘survived’ the fall, and wandered off, because it’s necessary for the plot. It’s less of a stretch to think that all of the zombies in the hotel, who had access to balconies, fell from the balconies.
No, we haven’t. Not once on either show has a severed limb been anything other than inert. It’s not like in Return of the Living Dead where you can chop of a zombies hand and it’ll still try to grab you. Decapitated heads & limbless torsos are something we have seen; as long as the brain is intact it’ll still send singles along the nerves to whatever body parts are still connected to it. Of course zombies contradict the laws of reality, but zombies that get up & walk when their spines should’ve been severed seems to contradict laws which have already been established in the fictional universe.
Everyone who dies with an intact brain reanimates; it doesn’t matter if whether you or bitten or not. Whatever the pathogen is it’s something that’s present in everyone, lying dormant until death. Zombie bites are fatal, but they don’t cause reanimation per se. Granted it does seem likely in the early stages of the outbreak not everyone was infected with the dormant pathogen so not every dead body would reanimate at first.
The balcony doors were sliding glass, but I don’t think zombies are able to open them any than the regular doors. So the balcony doors must either have already been open (at least the glass part, they could easily stumble thought the screen). It looks like zombies at are someplace instead & away from external stimuli usually just end up sorta sitting inactive until they hear or see something. So the undead guest just paced around their rooms for awhile and eventually “went to sleep” until they heard the piano sounds and stumbled in it’s direction until they just fell out of their rooms.
Yah, I can believe that the zombies would not have fallen off their balconies. The apocalypse is still pretty new. They never had anything stimulating enough happen to get them to walk off their balconies until Strand did his impression of this guy, and have been kept safe by the railings till now.
But it makes little sense that there are so many zombies in their rooms with the patio doors open. Weird that there are so many locked in rooms- were they put there? The hanged guy didn’t seem ‘put there’. If the place was abandoned in the apocalypse, why did so many people die in their rooms? With the patio doors open??
Still, given all this, the problem of a zombie hotel should be easier to solve than this. First, the decision to split up the group was handled like a usual teenage argument- But Mooom, you won’t let me do anything! Yah, like Mom hasn’t noticed the dead walk the earth, and these are their first minutes here in this abandoned city. Nope, it is all Well Okay Then Have A Nice Time, and the only recon the “adults” do is in the space between themselves and the liquor. Hey, all clear! Let’s start pounding shots!
Maybe it is all supposed to be some kind of snarky social commentary. I mean, pick up a newspaper. Is the real world all that much less dumb? Events at college, at the very least, sometimes had a Strand-at-the-bar way of unfolding.
Why would you need to feed zombies? We’ve seen this done as far back as Herschel’s farm. Unless it’s some sort of ritualistic sacrifice, what purpose is served by giving them a living person or animal to eat? It’s not like you’re afraid they will starve to death. It wouldn’t appease them in any way. If a zombie’s just gorged on some guy, he’s not going to just let the next person pass by and say, “No thanks, I’m full.”
In the first or second season of TWD, it was established that zombies become lethargic after not having eaten in a long time. For people who believe they’re just ‘sick’, they feed them to keep them ‘alive’.
There have been many instances of zombies, while they’re eating something else, not attacking. I think a zombie that had just eaten might not attack.
I’m wondering if during the initial outbreak a certain percentage of the population got sick and died just from inhaling the virus. That would explain the large numbers of dead walking around, especially in the hotel where most people would have been locked in their rooms anyway. How else did so many die in their rooms?
