Goodnight, Mrs. Godwin, wherever you are.
You must use your Kung-Fu powers for good, never for evil!
Bullshit indeed. Many people living in East Asia are pretty well off and live comfortable lives, better than in the US. My point was that you, Feistyretard, are not one of them. They do not accept you as one of them. They look at you and think, foreigner. When it comes to really living in a place, you fit in and gain much more acceptance here in the US than you ever will in East Asia–except for the fantasy “homeland” you’ve constructed in your head.
Oooh, la dee dah, you visited! You spent a semester over there as a student! You even (gasp, my goodness gracious!) worked for one 'o them high-falutin multinationals in Hong Kong!
Let me join China Guy in his bwahahahahas. You have no idea what it’s like to try to integrate yourself into society over there.
It sounds to me as if the people you encountered were very polite indeed. But as I said, visiting there as a student/tourist/short term Hong Kong expatriate is a far cry from spending most of your adult life there, marrying into a native-born family, and working for a domestic firm with 100% native born management. You may not believe it–after all, I do have white skin, and that’s more important than anything I say or have experienced–but I think I know a little more about living in this part of the world than you do.
Yes, I’ve noticed that you read and write English. You did say that you are a native of the United States, didn’t you?
I find it interesting that you are hypersensitive to these intangible clues to racism when it comes to the US, yet you take at face value the experiences of “americanized Japanese people” who just went back to work for “a few years at a time”.
I know several Taiwan-born, ethnic Japanese who spoke the language like a native, yet told me that they would never be able to integrate themselves into Japanese society. I’ve talked with citizens of Japan who expressed their worries to me that if they stayed out on overseas assignments too long, they would taint their reputations as being too foreigner-friendly.
Japan is one of the most insular and xenophobic societies on earth, and if you can’t acknowledge that–instead relying on the anectodes of a few “americanized” Japanese living there for “a few years”, then nothing else you say carries much credibility either.
Once again, bwa ha fucking ha. If you’re as young as I think you are, I’ve lived in Asia since you were playing with your Power Rangers with the American kids on your suburban playground. I’m fully fluent in Mandarin (reading and writing, imagine that!) and have travelled all over the region.
Again, though, I realize that nothing that I’ve said in this post will get through your thick skull because you’re so fixated on the fact that I’m white.
And that’s truly sad.
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Yes, you got it i’m just an asian Nazi aren’t I? Yeah and I also have a freudian complex and i’m chauvinist to boot. Let’s not forget those terrific add-ons.
Oh so it’s self pity now too? I thought amateur psychology went out in the 80’s.
Why is it then that whenever I mention the overwhelming racism in the U.S. it’s counteracted with “but in asia it’s this…” or “it’s worse” or some other fallacy. I’ll say it right now i’ve NEVER heard anyone call me a racist slur in Asia. I’ve never been discriminated against in anyway over there. That’s enough proof for me. Of course you’ll disregard all my anecdotal evidence and probably insist in some hilarious manner how I just imagined all my troubles in the U.S. and that in Asia i’ll be sent into the goosestepping concentration camp as a foreign dissident.
Well, we aren’t allowed to use any language other than english on these boards. But then if I wrote this arguement in Mandarin you wouldn’t understand it because you are functionally illiterate. You may be able to speak “family” Mandarin but since you can’t read and right, it certainly won’t be educated.
I don’t think I’ve written anything here that warrants a “boy” from you. Now I don’t know what part of the US you grew up in, but “boy” generally is a pretty dang big insult from one man to another. Are you conciously or sub-conciously equating yourself with a plantation master and I am the slave of this exchange. Isn’t that racist? Leaving the black/white connotations out of it, “boy” is still pretty damn insulting.
As someone married to a Chinese woman and father of an AmerAsian daughter, I find your ascertations of an Asian utopian paradise free of racism (or bigotry depending on how you want to define race) to be ludicrious. In fact, to be at least on a par with the most extreme “whitey” arguements you are throwing around on this board. Now, the fact that Asians in Asia are racist doesn’t have anything to do with the US being racist, but the fact is they are racist despite your assertions otherwise. But hey, we can make that another thread.
What I find even more amusing is that you think you’re an original and even liken yourself to Malcom X. I grew up with a dozen guys like you in Californina, and met another dozen at University, and know your stereotype far too well.
Ah. I see the problem. You see, what you have not realized is that the rest of us lack this amazing gift of white-dar which allows you to instantly divine whether or not a person is white despite never having actually seen them. So you’ll have to forgive us - we’re judging people based on the actual content of their posts, rather than taking their race into account. I realize that it’s a heavy burden to make allowances for those less gifted than yourself, but with great power comes great responsibility.
So you persist in fighting strawmen instead of engaging in discussion? No one has claimed that you have not suffered discrimination. You simply want to pretend that posters have made that claim so that you do not have to actually pay attention to what people have actually said.
(And, since you appear to have serious difficulty in reading comprehension, I will point out that I have not called you a Nazi nor implied that you were one. The direct connection that I have made is between you and those people with pale skin who think the way you do: they believe that there are great conspiracies among all the “other” people to insult and, perhaps, subjugate them. You have expressed the identical feelings in the opposite direction. Many in the National Alliance do choose to align themselves with Naziism because that was the last large movement to elevate their meager souls. That, however, was merely the political device. Your kinship resides in your and their inability to see the world except as one in which the “other” race is looking to bring you each down.
I doubt that you are a Nazi and I would not make that particular association (which is why I indicated the parallels with the NA and not with the American Nazi Party).
China Guy: Would you be so kind as to describe to Feisty the situation between the majority Han and the minority nationalities in China. Could you also enlighten him as to attitudes (if still present, of course) between Han of one region and Han of another? Perhaps you could mention that Mongolian and Han aren’t the same?
But Monty . . . he already knows all of that, doesn’t he? I mean after all, he’s the arbiter of all that is Asian.
andros: <sigh> Well, of course…
China Guy: I forgot to ask if you’d also discuss those attitudes between Han of different mainland region origins in Hong Kong also.
Hi Monty, good to see you’re at my old alma mater (or I assume you’re studying there, why else would one move from Monterey to an armpit like Davis?). Used to have a great Asian languages and Asian studies program there 
Dunno, maybe you could ask one of the what is it 30% or 40% or is it up to 50% of the student body who coincidentally happen to be ethnically Asian what they think. Heck, Asians may actually now be the highest demographic at the University of California.
I didn’t really want to get into all of the inter-Han Chinese descrimination and bigotry, much less the Han and Minorities, although of course the genocide and ethnic displacement of the past 50 years is well documented.
Actually, I’d like to ask our fiesty mongol, who may not actually be of mongolian stock, to just try rent an apartment in Japan. It does matter what color your money is as multiple posters on this board including myself have ranted about this specific example of racism on this board.
Dang, it’s Christmas eve in my part of the world and I would wish all Americans, regardless what their religion, nationality, sexual orientation, politics or ethnicity, ad nauseum, is, to have a very happy holiday season.
Exactly! I’m majoring in Linguistics and am in my Junior year. Monterey made me completely unprepared for the weather here. I just knew I was going to die this past August!
Still does. Theoretically, I’m minoring in East Asian Languages and Cultures but haven’t been able to schedule any classes for it in this past quarter or for Winter 2003.
And when I report my findings here, ol’ Feisty will just ignore what I say because, well, because I’m White.
Well, according to this site, News, the ethnic representation as of Fall Quarter 2001 was:
[ul]Ethnic Representation (Domestic undergraduate students)
American Indian/Alaskan Native 0.84%
African American 2.78%
Chicano/Mexican American 7.43%
Latino/Other Spanish American 2.62%
Filipino/Pilipino 4.46%
Chinese/Chinese American 15.42%
Japanese/Japanese American 1.95%
Korean/Korean American 2.52%
Pacific Islander 1.36%
Vietnamese 5.00%
Other Asian 2.44%
East Indian/Pakistani 2.85%
Other ethnicities 2.39%
White/Caucasian 42.99%[/ul]
So, the White/Caucasian representation then was 42.99% and the Asian representation was 36%. Not exactly a huge difference, of course, and the Asian demographic very well may be the highest representation now.
I completely forgot about the forced migrations under the communists. Silly of me, I know, but it’s just one example of “Asian on Asian” discrimination, which must mean those discriminating must’ve been “acting White.” At least, according to Feisty, no doubt.
Not only must one have a local guarantor to get an apartment in Japan, but oft-times one must have a regular bar patron to be one’s guarantor to enter the non-gaigokujin bars and clubs in Japan. I’d heard that the metro government in Tokyo had outlawed such discrimination whilst I was living in Ayase, just down Route 246 in Kanagawa, but never saw any change in actual practice.
Same to you! (And, if you don’t mind, send me a link of any digital photos you might happen to put up for the Lunar New Year–my email’s available on this site.)
LMAO!!! 
China Guy I would give you an AMEN! But in the context I shall quote a great puroresujin named Funaki
INDEED!!!
Eh…?!? You know, before you came along it never would have occurred to me that anyone would have anything against Asian men (or women). I’ve never known anyone that had an opinion one way or the other on the subject, actually… where are you getting this idea that everyone here has a thing against Asians? It’s bizarre.
Oh, he’s got a point to a certain extent. You’ve never lived on the Left Coast where most of it resides, but I’ve seen it manifest itself as far east as Detroit. (Not to the overwhelming and all-pervasive extent that he claims, of course.)
On the other hand, based on the personality he’s displayed, here, I would guess that most of his problems have to do with people reacting to him and he is transfering those reactions onto his ethnicity so that he does not have to face the fact that he is simply an unlikable person.
The guy was a racist, sure. No one is disputing that. They are disputing your claim that the rest of the people in the store were racists.
I don’t deny that there are bigots here, but I think you’re vastly overstating your case. I can’t think of anyone I know ever EVER saying anything against Asian people. I’ve heard people make cracks about black people, middle eastern people, and hispanics… but never asians. I know it happens, but it isn’t this big cultural ingrained thing like you think it is.
Never on the left coast, no, but I spent 25 years in Tucson, AZ…
It’s funny you would mention this because it’s nowhere as bad as you make it out to be. At least not as bad as englishmen landing on the shores of America and passing out smallpox blankets bad. Or Cortez raping the Aztecs bad so I think your comparisons are pretty useless. There’s still a population of ughurs which are allowed to live in their native land of xinjiang. At least it’s not like the U.S. which seems to be conspiring to deport as many arabs as possible in classic “Japanese internment” type cattle rondups.
Btw, don’t even bring up communism because a lot of the majority ethnic han chinese were killed in the ruthless purges and the revolution. It wasn’t a pleasant thing for anyone and race wasn’t a factor.
You don’t necessarily have to be white to have a “white” point of view.*
*Uncle tom
Actually. Gods above and below I interject… but aren’t most of the Chow Yun-Fat movies made for Hong Kong audiences? Which makes them… novelty asian kitch marketed for white audiences… how?
And I remember a quite funny male comic, asian by race, with, IIRC, a really, really strong Montana accent, who did a similar, though not as good, routine as Margret Cho… I don’t think he’s dead. But then again, comedy is a hate crime.
As far as non-stereotypical asian roles… Well, let’s see. Mr. Sulu comes to mind… the man’s greatest fantasy was to be a french muskateer. I seem to recall an asian gentleman as a… police scientist? I keep thinking The Flash tv show, but the partner on it was a black guy with dreads. There’s the Evil Lawyer on Angel, he’s just an ass, could be played by a character of any race.
But it’s not important, really. What’s important is how we treat one another in our daily life. With respect and dignity. Do you do that, Mongol?