Fellow atheists? What evidence might convince you there is a god?

How about a little justice in the world. That might swing it for me.

Sorry…it doesn’t count. You can’t “pretend” believe. You either do or you don’t.

I don’t.

What would persuade me? Oh, I dunno…maybe if it wasn’t so damned secretive. Like only some of his creations are good enough to get the word. Everyone else is just to fucking stupid. It’s offensive in the extreme.

Also, he’d have to undo the pain and suffering he’s allowed to happen. And he’d have to admit he was a sadistic bastard.

Then I’d flip him off and tell him I don’t want to be a part of his sicko club. He’s the kind of guy my parents forbade me to hang out with!

And I hate when the baby jesus makes me type “to” instead of “too”, which is what I meant. Damned baby jesus.

What would prove to <i>me</i> that there is a god?

If I died and then saw anything afterwards, I think that would do it.

Hahaha.

I pressed “Submit,” then I realized that I didn’t to the italics right, then I tried to hit the “Stop” button before the page reloaded. Alas, it was not a success…

That’s because there is no God. :wink:

Well, what if time-traveling aliens have duplicated your memories in a new body, or actually snatch your brain out of your skull at the moment of death and replace it with a fake so the rest of us won’t notice and then install it in a new body, and you just … wake back up?

Or what if Tipler’s whole Omega Point simulation occurs?

I’m not sure that an afterlife would necessarily imply God.

This is an excellent point. I’ve thought about this before, and concluded that while I don’t believe for an instant there is a god - if there were, I’d absolutely hate the bastard.

For the love of sanity - consider all the shit that goes down in the world. Genocide, disease, famine - the list goes on and on and on. I don’t give a damn about any of that biblical stuff about how “we got tossed out of the garden of eden”, and so on. If you have the power to help people out of a jam, to save lives, you do it. It’s just that simple.

If I let a little old woman get run down by a bus when I could have pushed her out of the way at no risk to myself, my inaction would be viewed as monstrous - and properly so. Why in the world should God be held to a lower standard?

God doesn’t exist - there’s no non-anecdotal evidence to suggest he does. But if he does - then f–k the son of a b-tch, I say. He’s not worthy of anyone’s worship.

I dunno…that, again, depends on accepting the Kindergarten-level theistic representations of God as definitive.

Gravity exists, and there are applicable laws you should know about it, and it is, on balance, by far and away a net good. People, on the other hand, do fall down and bang their knees, or topple off ledges and plummet to their death far below. And yet we don’t say “Gravity is evil, if gravity were a good thing it would not punish people by flinging them down hard for disobeying the rules and getting too close to the edge, let along punishing innocent people who toppled off ledges through no fault of their own. Fuck gravity”.

Are you sufficiently without imagination that you cannot conceive of a God that is personal rather than impersonal but which is nevertheless not a Personality, not a Player on the Field?

When I refer to god in most of our conversations here, I refer to the 1) christian god that is thrust upon us daily, or 2) the god of any organized religion I’m aware of today. There is a possibility that a non-interacting god created matter (although I have to ask why he would do that if he wasn’t going to do something with it). I must say, though…Steven Hawking’s idea that everything was just always here is much easier to swallow.

This ends with me having to believe that in the case of God, the ends can justify the means. If God simply has a plan that is going to end up super, I have to put up with all of the garbage.

2 pieces of picture ID, and one credit card.

No out-of-state driver’s licence, either.

What if the credit card is unsigned?

If our “President” was speaking of his religious beliefs & how they had shaped his policies–referring to the “culture of life”–and a lightning bolt came from out of the blue. Then I might believe.

The Attorney General is another suitable candidate for Godly wrath.

There used to be a website called something like The God Contest, in which a series of trials would be put forward, and the first deity to successfully complete all the trials would win all the world’s worshippers from all teh other deities. It was pretty cute.

My favorite test it put forward, though, was based on the idea that the first thirty-three (or so; I forget exactly how many) digits of pi are sufficient to describe the properties of a circle the size of the known universe, down to the scale of a single atom. This test proposed that God should therefore round pi off to thirty-three digits.

If a being did that, such that all future tests of pi showed it rounded off, I’d believe that being was God.

Daniel

What if such a being was able to create a universe that contained matter in which humans eventually evolved? That would cut it for me. :smiley:

I just found this. Haven’t read it myself yet. Scientific Proof of God.

Looks interesting, I’ll read it when I’ve got some time later.

Interesting in the sense of “It’s like TimeCube, only with spyware.”

Daniel

In the case of a christian god, that lightning bolt just may hit ol’ Georgie Boy and his sidekick.

Smarty-pants undergrad theological answer:

‘God’ or just a ‘god’ is always defined in terms which do not admit of any objective proof of his/her/its existence, only of inner subjective revelation. This is why the concept can be sustained with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

Hence, the OP is asking about ‘evidence’ for the existence of that which is defined without reference to evidence, and indeed has no traits which yield to objective analysis based on evidence (using the word ‘evidence’ as it is used in any other, non-metaphysical context).

Answer based on David Hume’s philosophy:

If I meet any evidence or proof, such that to believe in God is less implausible than any alternative explanation, then I will believe in God.

Normal answer:

I’m very easily satisfied, so I’ll settle for direct, physical manifestation with proof (I’m sure God can figure out what would be a good token of proof better than I can), capable of independent, objective verification, and which involves me dating Jacqueline Bisset.

Honestly, I don’t think I could possibly be convinced of a sentient, omnipotent being under any circumstances. I don’t believe in a Creator God. I don’t believe in a Vengeful God. Nor a Loving God, nor a Father God, nor a human manifestation of God, nor any kind of God.

I see no need, or ability, for God to be involved in the creation of humans, life, the solar system, the galaxy, or the universe. It is similar to how, due to the laws of optics and refraction, I do not see a need, or ability, for God to be involved in the creation of rainbows.

In my worldview, there is precious little space for any kind of God to have any input.

Ahunter3 seems to be saying that there could be a God, but that the essence of God is akin to the Tao. I could actually believe in that, but it wouldn’t necessarily be classifiable as a belief. I could envision an all-permeating quantum-foam essence that could be tapped into mentally, though I have yet to see enough evidence to convince me. As opposed to radio waves, which I “believe” in because I have seen enough evidence, though I wouldn’t really classify that as a belief as much as simple knowledge.

But Ahunter3, once you remove the consciousness, you remove the essence of what the term “God” implies.

If I witnessed repeatable evidence of the supernatural, I still would not believe in God, because God is simply not necessary in my worldview, nor is there really any room for him in it. On a side note, if it were indeed repeatable, I wouldn’t even say I would believe in the supernatural; rather, I would end up expanding my definition of natural. This is, I imagine, what happened when lightning was finally understood. The realm of the supernatural shrunk, and the realm of the natural grew to encompass lightning. Once that happened, lightning rods were put on church steeples, for example.

On a side note, I’m not entirely convinced that part of the definition of atheist is skeptic. I am not skeptical that there is a God; I sincerely do not believe there is a God. If I were merely skeptical, I would be an agnostic, not an atheist.

If I died and went to heaven, or hell, I still might not believe in God. I might assume that I had somehow transferred to a parallel universe, where perhaps matter and time were of a different hue, and perception and experience blended in previously unimaginable ways. But that still would not require the reality of a God.

In short, my worldview holds no ability for God, because there is simply nothing for God to do, no reason for God to exist, and no place for God to hide.