But should the standard be that anybody who gets shot by the police must have deserved to get shot by the police? And the police get to make the decision?
I think the answer is no. Police shootings should be subject to an authority other than the police themselves. And not in a mere theoretical sense.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Of course the answer is no. But that’s not the question here.
Your point was about whether the 1200 people being shot by police was a bigger problem than officers being beaten because they’re afraid to use their weapons. And my response was that in making that assessment, you can’t just point to the fact that there were 1,200 people, since many of those people deserved killing and their death is not a problem.
Where do you get the 1::1000 chance?
I agree that cops ought to be investigated. I thought they were and then if the investigation turns up anything, the matter is referred over to the DA. Or did you have something else in mind?
My point stands. Unless you have other examples to introduce, it’s not officers being beaten. It’s one officer being beaten.
Now I’ll readily concede that some of the 1200 people who were killed by the police (and remember that’s an annual rate; the actual ongoing total is higher) needed to be shot. But how many? Let’s go extreme and say it was 1199. That means one person was unnecessarily killed by the police.
So which is a bigger problem? A person getting beaten up or a person getting killed?
I’ll believe it when it happens over and over, to many different cops, over a period of years, with nothing done about it.
I do believe police are scared of backlash from the hate group ( Black Lives Matter)
In Minnesota , a black young man was shot while handcuffed…or so Black Lives Matter claimed.
A complete investigation was done and the Hennepin County Attorney presented all the…EVIDENCE
#1…not a slightest mark on the wrists of the dead black man that would be present if handcuffed.
#2…the dead man’s fingerprints on the police officer’s gun.
The EVIDENCE coincided with the police version of the black man getting shot after he got the policeman down and was trying to get the officer’s gun. The second policeman shot him after the downed officer cried out for help.
Yet, despite the evidence presented, the statement from a female member of the hate group ( Black Lives Matter) to the County Attorney was…" if the city burns down, it’s on you ! "
Yes, I did watch the entire press conference and it was quite apparent the hate group ( Black Lives Matter) wan cops prosecuted even if the EVIDENCE doesn’t warrant prosecution.
Oh, you’re one of those people. Ok then
and what kind of a person are you ?
Interestingly, and unlike many cases involving violent altercations and the police, nobody died. Might be worth considering.
cite?
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19704353&postcount=9772
“I can hear the argument right now, the cop may be in the hospital for a few days but noone is dead and the bad guy is in jail, better than a dead guy who beat a cop unconscious.”
I believe it is worth putting a cop in the hospital to save an innocent life. I can be convinced that it is worth putting a cop in the hospital to save a criminal’s life. I’m not as convinced that it is worth putting a cop in the hospital to save the life of someone that is actively assaulting a police officer.
turns out “hands up, don’t shoot” was a fabrication
turns out " shot while handcuffed" was a fabrication
hard to believe anything Black Lives Matter state
The hate group Westboro Group has more credibility.
“Cite” actually means linking to a source, preferably credible, that supports what you have said.
Humans cannot access truth. Not a one of us.
I was looking for a cite that someone from BLM said “if the city burns down, it’s on you !”
Sure, I think the evidence supports this conclusion wrt Michael Brown but Walter Scott was shot and then had a taser planted on his corpse.
I don’t know which time you mean because there are certainly instances where handcuffed suspects were shot.
They make a lot of assumptions and they are wrong (a LOT) but do you think they are highlighting an non-existent problem?
No, no they don’t. Westboro baptist church does not have anything like the Walter Scott shooting to point to.
“shot while handcuffed”
another Black Lives Matter fabrication in a case in Minnesota just this summer.
Black Lives Matter want cops prosecuted even if the evidence doesn’t support prosecution.
THAT…plus shouting death threats to cops…sure fits the definition of a HATE group !
You’re not describing BLM – you’re describing a fantasy distortion of BLM. Some assholes might shout death threats, but BLM opposes any violence and advocates for peaceful resolution of their complaints.
Just to provide one example here: The fatal shooting of Jeremy Mardis was, in my opinion, the most horrific police shooting of 2015. It happened on November 3rd, and the two officers involved were both charged with murder and are awaiting trial. I think they’re likely to be convicted, but the wheels of justice turn slowly. I don’t think their trials have even started yet.
It’s not a “fantasy”. Some people who show up at BlackLivesMatter protests do some violent crap. It may not be the official position of the BlackLivesMatter movement, to the extent that a “movement” can have an official position, but it certainly isn’t a fantasy. There are videos all over YouTube showing it. And I think the argument that violence isn’t their official position is even a bit tenuous.
They sort of are. Certainly white cops shooting black suspects get far more “media investigation” than if it’s white-on-white, black-on-black, or black-on-white.