Historically speaking, in the US, rioting by white people has been far, far more murderous and dangerous than rioting by any other group.
Or, you could read his cite in the post I quote…
I could only see two of these, my internet filter refused the third for “intolerance”. These are pretty poisoned wells you’re drawing from.
…the cite does not back up the assertion, and the videos that I have cited directly contradict the claim.
It may be the cop was injured, but the fact that he went to the hospital claiming injuries doesn’t show it. IME, cops tend to claim injuries in all these sorts of altercations, whether real or not.
[I know of one case where a cop beat a guy up and then claimed he hurt his back in the course of doing so and went on disability leave for some time. The victim, of course, was prosecuted for resisting arrest (later settled for disorderly conduct or something minor of that sort).]
Ferguson cops last night arrested at St. Louis Alderman, kept him overnight, and released him in the morning without telling him why they arrested him, and apparently without filing a report of the arrest, or at least without giving him any documentation of it.
It’s also not outside the realm of possibility that he could have fabricated an injury, given how fast this whole situation went south.
I already did. Post 191. As to your cites, I find it odd that you think a bunch of pictures that don’t include Molotov cocktails proves that they don’t exist.
I have a picture with no horses in it. I offer it as proof that horses don’t exist.
…post 191 does not come close to supporting your assertion. You’ve stated that “It’s when the Molotov cocktails start flying that the tear gas comes out.” I don’t believe that is true. Either back up your claim or do the decent thing and withdraw it.
And where are all the photos of Molotov’s being thrown? Cell phone cameras all over the place, news reporters, stuff like that. I’m thinking that if you had them, you’d show them to us, yes? You don’t, then? Or just building the suspense?
There are pictures of people with Molotov cocktails. The question isn’t whether anyone had them. The question is whether “The cops aren’t shooting tear gas at anyone who gathers or protests. It’s when the Molotov cocktails start flying that the tear gas comes out.”
My cite shows that people were protesting at the police station and the protest was peaceful. Thus there was no harsh response by police.
My cite also shows that on the same night at a different location there were riots for the fourth night in a row where Molotov cocktails were thrown at police. In this occasion tear gas was used.
Do you dispute any of these facts?
What I take from these facts is that the police are responding to force with force, and not just tear gassing any crowd indiscriminately, as posters have been claiming. That’s an opinion, and one that might be wrong, but it is clearly backed up by the facts that we have from the news stories that have been cited.
You disagree? Fine. You can assume the worst. But unless you have a cite contradicting this I don’t think your opinion counts for much.
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French said police pulled him from his car Wednesday night and arrested him because he didn’t listen to their orders to disperse.
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People in Ferguson seen to be having trouble with this whole “when a cop tella you to disperse, disperse” concept.
Yes, they do, especially if that McDonald’s is located in a riot zone where a curfew has been imposed.
They would certainly have the benefit of a doubt that they aren’t just running around and arresting people at random.
How does one person disperse, exactly? Detach an arm and throw it the other way?
For anyone who actually cares to read the reporter’s account:
The sadness of it is that the “truth,” to the extent that it can be objectively ascertained, is mostly incidental at this point. For the dead guy and his family this was a tragic event, but for many more people, including many on this board, it’s an emblem. The people have grouped into their traditional camps, and the beliefs about What It All Represents are already solidified. Should there arise irrefutable HD video evidence showing Brown lunging for the cop’s gun, his community (and a lot of other black people across the US) will still see it as another unarmed black kid shot to death by institutionally racist police who exist only to antagonize them. If it shows Brown being harassed and assaulted by a foul-mouthed cop while minding his own business and being shot without provocation, then Brown is to still ultimately to blame for his own death, because [pick a reason: should’ve obeyed the cop’s barked orders more quickly, shouldn’t have been walking in the street in his own neighborhood in the first place, was probably up to no good and on his way home to mix up a batch of purple drank, should’ve understood the pressure that police are under dealing with his kind of people day in and day out, etc.]
People want answers, but they don’t, not really. The narrative is already written.
It’s a good thing none of that is happening, then.
If I were in Poland in the 1940s, I wouldn’t be me - I’d be a different person with a different set of life experiences and loyalties, and as such it’s pointless for me to speculate on what that person might do.
This is true of a lot of people. But there are also other people who are more open to looking at the details of the case.
Thing is that members of the first group tend to be more passionate about the issues, so they tend to be overrepresented in discussions about it (including on this MB).