Wait, perfect justice? As in, imagining that somehow he’d been got to before he died and brought back to health - you’d be hoping for the death penalty for the guy?
Okay, I’ve only just skimmed the recent posts here, and I haven’t read a whole lot of the news reports yet. But here’s a remark I haven’t seen mentioned yet, at least not lately:
Some posters above are arguing that there was never any due process here, that the grand jury was a sham, never actually giving a damn about any facts in this case.
There’s some good reason to be skeptical about this grand jury. The DA leading the case is McCullough. Right from Day One, there was skepticism about him. He has an established record of going soft on police violence cases, and he has close ties to the police. His father, brother, uncle, and cousin are or were cops. His father, in particular, was killed on duty by a black man. There were calls right from the start that the should stand aside. There were calls for Gov. Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor. That didn’t happen.
The Grand Jury proceedings are secret. (Sorry, I didn’t see the latest news on if the court would allow the transcripts to be released. Somebody fill me in?) Now, nobody is going to be very confident that justice was served, because nobody will really know if McCullough really pressed the case or if he soft-pedaled it.
ETA: Okay, I just saw this, a few posts up:
That will be very important.
It’s always a little icky and awkward when someone overshares their personal fantasies with the group.
So, it’s that certain he’s innocent that even a grand jury won’t indict him. You really can’t get much more sure of justice than that.
Unfortunately people like you will ignore this, and prevent the demonstrably innocent man from going about his life, as any innocent person should be able to.
You and me both. He also began by claiming the initial “dominant narrative” was Wilson standing over Brown firing into his back.(quoting from memory)
I certainly don’t remember that being the “dominant” narrative.
“Shooting him in the back” certainly was, until it was shown to be false by the autopsy. I remember it being at distance, though, not standing over him. Either way, the original stories were demonstrably false.
No, but the death penalty is a long drawn out bit of nonsense that serves little purpose, not the same thing as what happened on the street.
The death of a person seems like a strong purpose to me.
I agree, though, that what happened on the street is not the same as what would happen in legal proceedings and the results of those. But describing it as “perfect justice” seems inaccurate, to me, anyway. If we assume Brown, as you put it, was a bully, a thief of $48 worth of cigars, and “slapped a cop around”, those do not sound like crimes which are worthy of death.
It’s one thing to say that, in a situation where there are few good options, a shooting is better or even the best option available. But “perfect justice” means something else entirely; “perfect justice” means he deserved exactly to be shot and killed for what he did. Is that what you’re saying?
So you’re arguing not just that the cop is innocent, but that Michael Brown deserved to die?
ETA: Ninja’d!
Wow, that’s a LOT of stuff.
:rolleyes: No, a prosecutor with a history of shielding bigoted cops doing so yet again is not justice or any indication of innocence.
I dunno that deserve has much to do with it, people die all the time. You guys act like it’s the biggest deal in the world. To me it’s akin to a Darwin Awards type death, just in the way nature enforces a type of justice on extreme stupidity.
So why would he then release the transcripts of the grand jury proceedimgs? Seems an almost Scooby Doo esque MO.
Of course, you’re already convinced of what “really” happened. I’ve read your post for years and I feel safe in concluding that your are a rather creepy fellow.
The prosecutor did the exact opposite of shielding him. Do you even know what a grand jury is?
If the prosecutor did as you claim, it would never have gone to a grand jury in the first place. Also, the bigotry or lack of it of anyone involved in this is irrelevant. Even if Wilson was the head of the KKK, he would still be entitled to act in self defence.
Not that anyone’s provided any evidence whatsoever of bigotry, but I know you have no interest in evidence. You can’t provide it to back up any of your claims, and you ignore it when it shows you wrong.
I skimmed the document dump for a while. There is absolutely no way that any of us can go through this stuff completely - it will take a couple of weeks at least. I guess the news legal analysts are going to earn their money for the next few days.
I’m just glad that Little Caesar’s Pizza is burning down for their role in the death of Michael Brown.
Little Caesar’s is really, really bad.
Seriously, though, whether or not you agree with the outcome of the grand jury (which I do), I do hate it that this vandalism, looting, etc., will mar whatever peaceful protests were planned.
Happier would be nobody dead in the street. Even a justified killing, in a situation that started over some pretty minor stuff, is a killing. A family is still grieving. A just result in the aftermath (and some might disagree this is) simply limits the amount of suck.
That really was the meat of the case. There was no dispute that Wilson shot and killed Brown. Wilson said he killed him. The autopsy didn’t show clear evidence that it was unjustified. There were lots of witnesses that could testify to the behaviors of both parties throughout the incident. Just the ones that seemed to claim Wilson was unjustified showed some conflict between each other (and some cases and aspects with the physical evidence.) Other witnesses got mentioned in the media that supposedly corroborated Wilson’s report. The grand jury had to sort through conflicting eye witness reports. Of course witness reliability was a big factor. How could it not be?
I’m in!!! I’d pay more if they were armed with cattle prods.