As ProPublica notes, the disparity is growing – 15 years ago, the disparity was lower than it is today. The disparity in recent years is significantly larger than the disparity in longer-past years. It would be interesting to see the year-by-year data (as opposed to “the last 3 years” vs “the last 15 years” put together) – extrapolating from the collective data, it looks like the disparities from the last 3 years were at least twice as large as from a decade ago or more.
And as Klinger notes, we need a national database of all police shootings, along with demographic details.
As far as my agenda, it is only to find the truth. I am as pure as the driven snow; a truth-seeking missile fired from the submarine of justice. As always, I thank you, my loveliest friend Terr [kiss], for our spirited sparring on substantive issues.
The 21 is true for the last 3 years. The disparity was lower farther back – so it’s getting worse. And the comparison is between young black men and young white men, not young white/hispanic men.
The trend of the disparity (getting worse over the last several years) might even make this a worse problem, not a less severe one.
Yes, it’s true for the last 3 years. It’s not true for the last 15 years (and no one has said it was). That it’s gotten worse is worrying. A professor calling something “horseshit” doesn’t necessarily make it false.
I’m not lying, my adoring, oh-so-kissable friend. The numbers I’ve stated are facts.
Adorable Terr, it’s possible to disagree without accusations of lying. This is a complicated world. Isn’t it just so much sweeter to consider that I might be a nice, honest, patriotic, and hard-working person that just sees things differently than you?
The numbers you stated are cherrypicked horseshit from a datasource that covers a tiny fraction of the country. As confirmed by a professor of criminology at a university. But you will keep using it, because integrity is a foreign concept you you.
Well, now, you just hold up there with casting asparagus! He’s got himself a university professor who says that Terr’s right! And you don’t have one, looks like, so he’s one to nothing on you! Now, maybe if you can dig up some hack from Mother Jones University who’ll pretend to agree with you, you could even up some. But without that, you’re boned.
I once started a Pit thread about Terr to say that for someone who prattles often about statistics, Terr’s knowledge about even the most basic facts is non-existent. There might be matters on which he’s competent to contribute, but anything related to statistics isn’t among them.
Lots of people have never taken a formal course in statistics. But many of those nevertheless have at least a tiny smidgen of mathematical intuition. And among those who have no capacity whatsoever for a mathematical viewpoint, there’s always a faint hope that they won’t go Dunning–Kruger, and will listen to their betters.
No such hope for Terr, who may be Mr. Dunning-Kruger Effect in person. And an insulting asshole as well, with garbage like “because integrity is a foreign concept you you.”
Right, so the “21 times” is meaningless.
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Hi, Terr. I’ve taken the liberty of emphasizing the most relevant word in iiandyiiii’s post. If you’re sincere about trying to acquire a 6th grade-level background in statistics, I’d suggest you start here.
If one isn’t an expert on something, the best course would be to look at what the experts - such as, for example, professors of criminology - are saying.
iiandyiiii’s claim that statistics from the last 3 years are more informative than longer term ones with a larger sample is akin to the claims of global warming deniers that one slightly cooler year proves them right.
How about the professors at ProPublica? Different experts say different things.
Another fine straw man. The last 3 years of data tells us more about the last 3 years. Comparing it to the last 15 years tells us about the trend. The fact that, according to this data, the disparity in police shootings of young black men is getting larger is troubling, in addition to the size of the disparity. As the professor says, police departments should record and supply complete data about shootings.
How about the the fact that 2010 is the outlier (which is why the 2010-2012 period was cherrypicked), and if you took instead the “last two years” - 2011 to 2012, the ratio would be much lower? Would that establish “the fact” that “according to this data, the disparity in police shootings of young black men is getting smaller”?
One year-to-year change probably doesn’t constitute a trend – we’ll see how it looks with a few more years of (hopefully) more comprehensive data. But good job for interpreting data in a specific way such that it kind of looks like it supports your point (the very thing you’re accusing me of doing)!
Wrong about what, my delectable little piglet? The 21 number is factual – from the last 3 years, love. It’s not the only number we should look at (and it shouldn’t be ignored, obviously), but it may be part of a trend.
