Would flame throwers be a better option? – I’m not expert in animal control. But, either way, the innocent property of Job Creators might be damaged. I think a nerve gas (e.g. sarin) dropped from helicopters might be the most effective choice, all around. (I don’t think some leftist treaty signed by countries like Afghanistan, Somalia and France applies to America’s War on Terror.)
How do they do animal control in Boise Idaho? I think we could take a lesson from them.
Flame away all you want.
You know what I find interesting about all this?
On the “straight dope” message board, devoted to “fighting ignorance” all I have seen from both “sides” (like there is a fucking side in this clusteruck) is conjecture, guesses and semantic wordplay.
Wow…
You forgot stubborn insistence that they know the truth without needing to gather facts.
Yes, i forgot that. Sorry.
I am truly sorry for sounding so condescending. I reread my post immediately afterward and thought it sounded way too harsh. But, seriously, I read most of this train wreck and all I saw was a bunch of guesses and opinions.
From these guesses and opinions, criminal guilt was implied, so was terrorism, and so was fascism and the support/opposition to “military” occupation of cities.
There are far too many possibilities here:
Is it possible an officer killed an unarmed man who did absolutely nothing wrong? Yes.
Is it possible an officer killed a man who posed a serious threat to him? Yes.
Is it possible an officer killed a man who he originally approached for some biased reasons, cursed at and then got into physical altercation with? Yes.
Is it possible some cop decided to execute a black man randomly on the streets because he just did not like black people? Yes.
Is it possible the protesters were treated harshly by police? Yes.
Is it possible the media were unfairly targeted by over-militarized police? Yes.
Is it possible the media antagonized police? Yes.
Is it possible some of those who claimed to be protesters were antagonists? Yes.
You know what, it is possible that one, or many of these these things happened at once, in a stream of events which we will never understand, explain or justify.
We should seek the truth, try to understand, and try to seek justice, but the path to this is not a bunch of guessing and opinions.
Only he did not steel the cigars. He paid. Watch the video.
Yep. At first Martin was presented as an innocent waif who didn’t do nothin’ and Zimmerman was faking his injuries, but it didn’t hold. And in this case the cop, unlike Zimmerman, isn’t a paranoid vigilante. This guy started out as a gentle giant who was just minding his own business and fled for his life from a crazy cop and was shot in the back. And now he’s currently sliding into “drugged out thug who assaulted an officer and tried to steal his gun” in the public mind. Maybe it’s not all that bad, not all the facts are in, but it’s not looking good compared to how it started.
It’s just bad luck, though. Police brutality happens all the time, plenty of vids on youtube that would shame even law ‘n’ order types. Just these cases blowing up in the news cycle haven’t worked out. The cops threatening journalists is a small consolation prize.
No. Because if this was true, Johnson would be dead. You’re suggesting a scenario in which the cop decides to shoot Brown just for being black, yet decides not to shoot Johnson despite being both black and a witness to the cop committing a major felony.
Exactly where in the video did Brown pay for the cigars? Was it before or after he threw the clerk to the side?
I see. So Brown’s friend who confirmed that Brown stole the cigars was lying then? How about the store’s attorney (yes, he quibbles that the store owners don’t know who Brown is, but he does say the cigars were stolen)?
Well, not really a flame, but here’s the first thought I had upon reading your disdain for the discussion: Thank you Lucky Mike for coming into the thread as the sole poster neither guessing nor conjecturing nor engaging in semantics!
We truly are the “lucky” ones for having your awesome contributions which helpfully reduce all interpretations of events, whether recorded, reconstructed or just imagined, into dry “possibilities” without any of those messy relative weightings of evidence and foolish ratiocinations.
This will make future discussions so much easier, as all we’ll have to do is admit all things are possible, and then nobody has to think about any of it until it’s all wrapped up in a bow for us as events come to their inevitable clear resolution.
Did anyone hear the unofficial account of Officer Wilson from the friend of his that called into the radio show? Does it seem plausible that Brown first ran from Wilson’s gun, then ran towards it?
I take it you’ve never listened to police chatter in your local district?
Police have conversations on their radios all the time. He absolutely would have gotten a description of the guy over the radio. Victim calls 911- operator takes information from victim while dispatching a car or three - operator radio relays description as given by victim over phone, including direction they headed upon leaving and any other pertinent information a cop in a car might need while scouting for the suspect.
Likely the police officer in this case heard the whole thing go down, and just hadn’t put together that the two dudes sauntering down the middle of the street were the same ones that had just robbed the convenience store. Because they were, you know, calmly sauntering down the middle of the street. Not the behavior you would expect from someone coming off the rush of robbing someone 10 minutes prior.
Now, you may say that’s all conjecture, and you will be right. I base it only on the hundreds of hours I’ve listened to local cop chatter, and heard units pick up suspects based on radioed descriptions and general vicinity, never having been to the actual scene of the crime themselves. They catch a lot of people that way.
I’m actually starting to wonder if Brown first ran but after being shot, he may have turned around to defend himself. Shooting somebody that many times makes no sense to me. The phone call by the woman named Josie raises a lot of red flags too.
That story about Fergusan cops charging a man for bleeding on a officers uniform after being beat up by them says a lot about them too.
I 've been watching this all day on CNN and it almost seems like CNN and the media is hoping for riots so they can keep this coverage running. The media is running after people if they look like they might cause trouble.
Well I dont know about that. The growing number of death threats to CEO’s and their families is being taken seriously. Think about how the wealthy elite have barricaded themselves by living in gated communities with their own private security forces. A growing industry is personal body guards, armored vehicles, and “panic” rooms. They also send their kids to private schools. Even their kids summer camps locations are now being kept secret (I know this because a friends daughter worked at one in Minnesota and the counselors all had to sign confidentiality agreements and were told not to ask the childrens last names or very much about who their parents are).
Just speculation but I think most, if not ALL of the wounds on Brown’s right arm are defensive wounds from him trying to block the shots. Which is why they say there were AT LEAST 6 shots even though there are 8 wounds on his body (from the autopsy photos). That looks like an execution to me. Anyone holding up his arm to block oncoming shots is not going to be charging at the shooter.
I’ve heard of defensive wounds to the arms in knife or blunt instrument attacks, but it never occurred to me that they might happen in case of a gun. That happens?
Sure. Imagine someone pointing a gun at you ready to fire and you have nothing else. Wouldn’t you put your hand up (even though you know that won’t help)? It’s a reflexive action.
In my experiences with direct physical danger, I have limited my responses to wetting myself and crying like a little bitch.
Ah, the Nugent maneuver.