Are you referring to the law giving New Rome the death penalty?
More like petty highway robbery. Literally.
No, that was done by Franklin County in 2004. The law I referred to was passed last year.
While all of the protesters, Brown family, media, political limelighters etc aren’t?
You’re seriously comparing private citizens to the government? Are private citizens holding back pertinent information?
Nobody sees a pattern or has an issue with it? I tend to like my government impartial. I don’t appreciate them trying to poison the well when they may have been at fault.
Speaking as one whitish guy I know, I’ve definitely emphasized to my kids - nothing as formalized as “The Talk”, but when it comes up in discussions - that in interactions with police you need to be polite and respectful and make sure the cop doesn’t feel like he’s losing face.
True, I’m not worried about my kids ending up shot by the cop - it’s more about them possibly getting charged with interfering with police work or the like, or possibly having the book thrown at them with all sorts of technically-letter-of-the-law violations, due to the cop getting ticked at some wise-guy remark. But that’s largely because I am not concerned that my kids might be provoked into something like punching the cop in the face, for example. If I thought that was a possibility, then I would be concerned about them being shot too.
I would guess a lot of white people are in the same category. (Or should be, anyway.)
I may exaggerate when I’m drunk, but in the morning I’ll be sober.
Tomorrow morning you will still be a pretentious dullard.
xenophon41, I’ve been a lurker on this board for over 10 years, and – for what it’s worth – I just wanted to say this is one of the best posts I’ve ever read here. Awesomely done.
Never paid much attention in informal debates, have you?
First point: that wasn’t my claim, it was from another poster, septimus.
Second point: your request for a cite from septimus was answered three minutes later with a citation provided by Richard Parker.
Third point: There are other citations available and easily found, but they all revolve around various “+1” responses to the original comment by the Missouri GOP official and are easily found with a simple Google search. You can deny those confirming cites exist to your heart’s content, but that’s not going to make septimus, Richard Parker or me look as silly as it makes you look.
Fourth and last point: your request to me in response to my analogy was, in its entirety “Cite?” Since I have strong reason to believe you’re not of low intelligence, rather than provide a citation for another use of that analogy, I decided you probably wanted me to flesh it out a bit. So I did.
The DA’s office is still conducting a criminal investigation of the officer and there is the grand jury to consider. The DA controls what info gets released and when it gets released. I assume the strong armed robbery case had been closed before the video was released to the public. And the media legal teams have been demanding the release of every bit of information (FOIA) the police had because that’s what they do.
Difference between driving while white and black
I vaguely remember a Tonight Show where Keenan Wayans and Josh Hartnett were the guests. Hartnett is telling a story about being pulled over for speeding before he was famous. He says he talked the cop into letting him go by explaining he’s speeding because was on his way his girlfriend’s to “get some”. C’mon officer.
Wayans just shakes his head and (I can’t remember exactly) jokes something about how he didn’t think that would work for black men and riffs “C’mon officer, let my black ass go ‘cause I’m just tryin’ to get me some.”
Wish I could find the clip.
It’s true that septimus started the original claim. i assumed, since you jumped on the bandwagon, you were endorsing it.
Richard Parker’s cite was to one person, which produced the rebuttal of an opposing view from another GOP member and a question from me that asked, since the score seems to be tied at 1-1, we could agree that it’s not a universal position of the right wing.
And while there are other citations to be found, they are not uniform – that is, just as Idiot Number One is not alone, neither is Calm-Headed State Senator Number One.
None of the citations provided thus far suggest that the right wing is monolithically denouncing black voter registration.
You are probably right and I withdraw my criticism.
It appears that press got wind of it through the father’s FB page and probably FOIA’d the rest of the information.
But that wasn’t the claim. Indeed, parties almost never monolithically do anything.
When the most senior GOP party official in the relevant state makes a statement, it is entirely fair to conclude that it is his party’s position on the subject. Other inferences are also possible, but your suggestion that this is not a reasonable inference is silly. It is perfectly reasonable.
If your position is that the head of the GOP in MO does not represent GOP opinion on this subject, then defend your position. The burden is quite fairly placed on you at this point. I don’t think a single dissenting state senator out of hundreds of local GOP politicians quite gets you there.
As always, you’re welcome to try and get someone to debate that point with you. I’ve had to work a little bit for my original little post, and I feel I’ve paid adequately for the snark privilege. So someone else will have to provide the argument to you.
(This room is labelled “The BBQ Pit” hence “ABUSE”. “ARGUMENTS” is two forums over.)
Uhm, believe it or not but most black people actually aren’t very concerned with that, either. Even the hardest, hardened criminal (of ANY ethnic background) generally knows not to attack a cop. If, for no other reason, than most criminals know it’s a fight they just can’t win.
+1 From another (mostly) lurker. I’d like to see a similarly thoughtful reply from those who disagree. Unfortunately posts like this tend to get lost in the snark and grudge match frenzy.
Makes sense to me. Although you do see it happen every so often - sometimes people know things but don’t act accordingly in the heat of the moment.
I would note that earlier in this thread (post #1610, to be specific) xenophon41 seemed to suggest that it might be common for people to have cop-punchers in their families.
No, seven.
OK. Here’s the problem. He made the statement in an interview. So far as I can tell, there is no policy position, no press release, no document supporting it. For this reason, no one else is offering a comment on it.
But fine. I’ll accept the rule that he makes a statement in an interview, and the entire GOP party of Missouri is saddled with it.
How is that fairly described as “the right wing?”
Moreover, how is his statement fairly characterized by septimus’ statement?
Wills was asked about the activists who “… set up voter registration tables near a makeshift memorial for Brown and the QuikTrip convenience store that has become a gathering base for protesters.”
He said, according to the interviewer, that the actions were disgusting and fanned the political flames. “Injecting race into this conversation and into this tragedy, not only is not helpful, but it doesn’t help a continued conversation of justice and peace,” he evidently said.
septimus said, “Interesting that an obvious recourse, Black voter registration, has been denounced by the right-wing.”
Now, it’s possible that Wills meant to say that he believed black voters shouldn’t register to vote. But since the issue he was asked about was not generic voter registration efforts, but rather the specific effort to set up a registration tent at the spot of the memorial of the death, why must his comment also be assumed to reach to black voter registration, period?
In other words, one comment from one person not only can be imputed to the entire right-wing movement, but also gets parsed in the most damaging way possible. Why is that? It seems like an unfair system to me, somehow.
Thanks for the attaboy, sincerely. But you don’t wanna do too much of that; my hat tends to get tight on these rare occasions and I begin to worry about how I’m saying instead of what I’m saying. Glad you liked what I said.