Feynman's Lost Lecture

I spent this afternoon listening to Richard Feynman’s “Lost” Lecture, delivered to Caltech students in 1964 and entitled “The Motion of the Planets Around the Sun.” While this made for enjoyable listening, you really cannot follow the derivations very well by merely listening. Being able to read it alongside the illustrations would be very helpful. Does anyone know anywhere online where this lecture is published? I’ve found multiple sites offering to sell it to me, but I had hopes that such an interesting work from so famous a physicist might be published online somewhere.

-b

I’d guess it’s still copyrighted. He hasn’t been dead that long. (About 15 years, I think.)

sigh Yeah, that’s what I figured. I was hoping that someone would be more interested in disseminating the lectures of this great teacher than profiting by them. Also, I wouldn’t mind so much if I thought it was his family who had the rights to his material, rather than, I suspect, either Caltech or some publishing company. I hope I’m mistaken on that one.

Have you tried your local public library?

That will be my next step, but I was hoping to be able to download/print a copy for myself. Guess I’ll just have to photocopy the damned thing. :slight_smile:

Jesus Christ. There were no surviving photos of the presentation; all diagrams had to be reconstructed from class notes and tapes of the lecture itself. But, yeah, I guess it’s really unfair for the people who did the freakin’ work to want some compensation for it. :frowning:

It’s a [url=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393039188/104-2514172-1603907?vi=glance]book, for crying out loud! Go to the damned library if you insist on looking at it for free.

I’m sorry if my question somehow offended you, but it seems to me that copyrighting the lectures of a man like Feynman is not only a crime to the curious and a disservice to humanity, but probably also against the would-be wishes of the man himself. Especially if the copyright is held by someone other than Feynman’s heirs (although, admittedly, it might not be). What right do people who did not write or deliver the lecture have to restrict its access and profit from it? Especially since it was obviously intended to educate people, and presumably as many as possible. And if I thought for a moment that the book cost was going to some poor shmuck grad student who was transcribing tapes and making diagrams, rather than to some publishing exec, I would send them a big fat check. Of course, I do not expect David and Judith Goldstein to be forced to publish their accompanying memoir, commentary, and diagrams for free online – this is their work and they can do with it what they wish – but the fact that words spoken in a room filled with people by a man whose goal was to bring scientific enlightenment to the masses should be restricted from general public access by a third party is infuriating.

I realize I could get off my lazy ass and go over to the library to check it out; I had just hoped that such valuable, creative, and inspirational teaching would be available freely and conveniently to the public online. And it is not the fact that it disturbs my laziness that really bothers me – I have a healthy relationship with the library and will not be greatly troubled to have to go there – but I had hoped to send the link to several dozen friends and coworkers. I hope you appreciate that sending them a recommendation of a book will not get a tenth as many of them to read it. And it is always good to have further links at the ready to help argue, refute, and educate those who have been undereducated in science, and this would have been a doozy. However, if the people who reconstructed the lectures did so out of avarice, so be it, but I had hoped that they did so out of admiration and respect for the man and his wonderful teaching style, and the hope that the lecture would reach as large an audience as possible. I know that I would gladly spend hours reconstructing lectures from his archival material, merely in the hope that more people could learn from this brilliant man. I had guessed that his former graduate students, friends, and co-faculty at Caltech would have felt the same way. Apparently I was wrong.

I know that I can find the works of Newton, Darwin, Copernicus, Galileo and many others online – at the fingertips of the curious at a moment’s notice. In my opinion, Feynman’s insights were as brilliant, and as impressively presented, as any scientist you could name, and his works should be, I feel, similarly easily available. I realize that he hasn’t been dead for 200 years, and that this influences the state of affairs, but I am still disappointed. In this present culture where superstition and pseudoscience are saturating the free media of television and the Internet, it seems – seemed – logical that those who support the spread of scientific thinking and the combat of ignorance, as I had supposed the people at Caltech to be, would be eager to make this and similar lectures available. Unfortunately, I was apparently mistaken in this as well. I’m sorry if this opinion offends anyone, but this man is a hero of mine, and I feel that this is entirely antithetical to what he stood for.

IMHO, extremely well said bryanmcc
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The U.S. copyright laws state that anything published before 1923 retained their copyright for 75 years.

Anything published between 1923 and 1977 will be copyrighted for 95 years, meaning that you will get nothing of that for free until 2019.

Anything published after 1978 enter public domain 70 years after the death of the author (if it is a natural person) or 95 years after publication (if published by a coporation).

There are more paragraphs, but you get the idea that unless the author or somebody else gives it to you, you will have to pay for it or wait a looooong time…

Yes, but just because something is copyrighted, doesn’t mean that the copyright holder can’t disseminate the information in a free format. The only reason I can think of that this wouldn’t be done is desire for profit, which in this case seems ignoble.

Also, you’re referring to published works. I’m curious – and I know absolutely nothing about copyrights – how it works with something like a lecture. Is there some standard clause in a professor’s contract relinquishing rights to the institution? I’m assuming the copyright is probably held by Caltech. It seems unfair that a man can stand in a room, speak some words, and these words can be whisked away and given restricted access by a third party. Especially when the words are so uplifting and enlightening, and from such a brilliant man. It feels like copyrighting the Gettysburg Address. But hey, I’m not a lawyer, so what do I know? It is also possible, and I hope it is in fact the case, that I am being overly cynical, and that the copyright is in fact held by Feynman’s heirs, and that they and his former students and friends are doing everything they can to get his teachings to a wide readership. I hope that this is the case, but it doesn’t seem to be from my admittedly cursory examination.

Jayrot, thanks for the support. It was starting to feel downright hostile in here.

[hijack]The first I heard of Richard Feynman and began to love him was when I read his book, Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman and the other one by a friend of his, Tuva or Bust. (I have also read a few others, but cannot remember their titles.)

I am not at all into the scientific world, so his Nobel Prize, and his solving of the Challenger tragedy went right over my head.

It chokes me up when I remember that he is no longer with us, and that he left us so soon. It’s not often that I see a topic with his name in it, so I just had to post.[/hijack]

The man was amazing, with an ability to teach rather complex ideas in a manner that could be understood by the masses. I believe he never considered himself a genius of any sort, just as someone who was willing to work harder at solving complex problems.

Let me be the second person to offer applause to bryanmcc for his insightful commentary.

How is Penguin publishing the Lost Lecture for something under a tenner more restictive than, say, them publishing the Lectures on Gravitation (surely the most technical volume ever issued by a mainstream publisher) or Addison Wesley printing the three volumes of the Feynman Lectures?
Either of those two is surely more essential.

bryanmcc,

While your posts are well written I think that you are missing something. From all I have read about Feynman his goal was not to ‘educate the public’ but to talk about physics with people interested in physics. If Feynman really wanted to educate the public he would have given his lectures and texts away for free. He didn’t do that when he was alive.

In fact Feynman, in his later years, wasn’t interested in being a public figure. He just wanted to do his work and teach to those who had the same passion for physics that he had. The general public had nothing to do with Feynmans work.

Slee

Let’s not have a debate about the fairness of copyright laws or the supposed greed of copyright holders in this forum. Continue the debate in a more appropriate forum, if you must.

I take it the answer to the GQ is “the work is copyrighted and so is not available legitimately online.” In that case, this thread is closed.

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