Dirty brown Arab savages.
Sad. People don’t even know how to deflect an argument with the “you’re all just racist” technique any more.
But he really, really wants us to. See post 133 for proof.
Pathetic really.
The evidence is self-evident.
A nation of 1.7 million people. The required 80,000 seat stadium for the finals will require 5% of the nation’s population to fill it. Some 60 odd games in the nine stadia that have yet to be built and the three that need to be expanded also need to be populated with spectators. All of which need the “climate control”. Qatar just had a participant die and more nearly die in a swimming competition. In water.
The bulk of the spectators, even in a nation without Qatar’s built-in discouragements to visitors, are locals. Qatar cannot do that, unless they shuttle the same 60,000 around from stadium to stadium on the mass transportation that also has yet to be built.
Local law discourages both alcohol consumption and the civil rights of women.
If this decision was above board, then it is one of the stupidest and most flagrantly anti-fan decisions FIFA has ever made. If not, then it is one of the stupidest and most fragrantly anti-fan decisions FIFA has ever made.
Twelve years is a long time, and if I were running the government of Turkey, I’d be using the time to get spruced up and prepared for the inevitable movement of the World Cup from Qatar. It won’t happen.
What percentage of Qatar’s 2022 team do you think will be naturalized specifically for that tournament? 50%? 75%?
You seem to be living under the delusion that the travelling fans for any tournament will have to inevitably be from Europe or the Americas. Newsflash, nearby you have nearly 400 million Mid East market and of course the sub continent; people who otherwise won’t go to a Cup. More than make up any shortfall from Europe or the Americas.
Newsflash (as you seem to like saying), World Cup tickets are distributed via three main channels. One is the local one, that you seem to be talking about. Secondly there is the corporate tickets, which are usually the cause of any empty seat in stadia. The final method is via Football Associations worldwide. Each Association gets an allocation and those tickets are sold (in theory) to fans that live in the countries of those Associations.
Due to this you will not be getting a World Cup with the spectators all from the Middle East market. Like it or not (and weirdly you don’t seem to like it), a huge amount will be coming from Europe and South America. Not to mention the huge amounts that descend on the country without tickets and usually not even planning to see a game, they just want to soak up the atmosphere. England, as an example, usually have enough fans around to fill a stadium themselves. Probably a couple.
You are so blinded by the desire to antagonise that you arent even thinking straight.
Yes, Qatar may be able to fill the stadiums from the mid-east region, from people who would not otherwise go to a world cup. But that is only relevant if your major priority is attracting “new” fans to football.
Instead, the world cup is meant to be a global event, bringing together fans from all over the world. Frank described the Qatar choice as “anti-fan”, because the choice of host has effectively raised massive barriers to fans from practically all of the world except your 400 million in the mid-east market.
Those 400 million could have easily attended a world cup in Turkey, or Australia, along with everybody else in the world. Those countries would have been rational choices. So tell me AK84, if you are interested in honest discussion, why did the voting committee go with the irrational choice?
Australia? The place with an 18 hour flight and where it takes months to get a visa.
The choice is not “anti fan” except in the mind of some self deluded idiot. And those barrier’s that you name are again only something that exist in the minds of the prejudiced and ill informed.
Will you get less England fans? Yes probably, but then you got less England fans at SA 2010 compared to Germany 2006, and there were again less at Korea/Japan 2002 compared with France 98, the nearer to home the more fans you get. But then you might get far many more people from other regions, who would not normally even consider going and less and you will still get people from other regions as well, ones who go for the event and are not as closed minded.
Yup. And the allocation to each association is based upon an estimate of the fans that it expects will actually go, and varies according to cup.
It remains to be seen how big the allocations will be for the other countries in the Middle East, that you seem to think are going to make up a huge amount of the supporters. Especially if they don’t qualify (Middle Eastern qualification is - at least currently - mixed in as a large group called “Asia” that involves the likes of Australia, a team that can run rings around any team from the Middle East).
Edit:
Apologies, Australia was there in 2010 but not in 2006. No idea why. Anyway, in 2010 there was not a single team from the Middle East. They are that good. Speculation of course, but I really don’t see that changing.
Thats funny, it took me two days to get a visa when I went to work in Australia. But then, I’m a racist, we get things much quicker
Yeah, everybody is just big prejudiced, racist meanies, including the millions of female soccer fans who may have reservations about traveling to Qatar. Racist bitches
I’m not English. I’m not from England. I am talking about fans worldwide, from Canada, Brazil, Denmark, Chile, New Zealand, China, the US. All together in our racism.
You mean, like fans from Countries such as Brazil, the US, Australia, even England? You know, fans from countries that will actually qualify for the damn tournament, as opposed to the 400 million people from the mid-eastern market whose teams wouldnt qualify if they were allowed 15 men against 11? Yeah, I’m sure they will go alright.
Won’t matter.
The rules of football say that, once a player has represented one nation in an international game, he may never, ever, represent another nation.
Consequently, anyone who becomes a naturalised Qatari and represents Qatar in an international (assuming for the minute that such a thing is even possible) has tied themselves to one of the weakest teams in international football. The players who might do it are those who have never won a cap for another country, have no real chance of ever winning a cap for that country, and don’t mind the money.
We were in the Oceania group in 2006 and had to beat Uruguay to qualify and we did. Since Australia always won the Oceania group when they changed the split they moved us into Asia. This allowed New Zealand to qualify as well.
Actually, no. The Middle East is currently divided between Asia and Africa.
Australia swictched from Oceania to AFC circa 2005.
True about 2010. But in World Cup previous to the same you have had Saudi (who reached the second round in 94), Iran who Australia as you say ran rings around; oh wait no they did not. So your argument is not based upon just hyperbole, it is factually inaccurate.
Yup, but then you are doubtless not from the Middle East or S Asia.
Are Qatari saying that “no women allowed”? If any female fans have reservations, then bully for them no one is forcing them to go. The ones who don’t have reservations, no one is stopping them.
I have already shown you examples of qualification by Mid East countries. And You know, it may come as a shock to you, but people actually might want to go for the…fact that it is the freaking World Cup. My own country has never qualified and probably never will, but I would go and have in 2006.
What’s your point?
I bet they have half a dozen Brazilian players on their team.
A text book case of res ipsa loquitor.
sed quid in infernis dicit?
That no player of any quality will make the move.
Either they’ve already played for their native country, in which case they can not play for Qatar, or they’re ambitious enough to stay with their native country to have a shot at international honours later.
Or (like George Best) they’re good enough to play with the best, but prefer to stick with their actual native team.
Brazilians? Not a chance. Not one.
If we didn’t have to wait 12 years I would attempt to make a substantial bet with you. They currently have one Brazilian on their team (know Deco btw? Couldn’t make Brazil and switched to Portugal).
Actually make that two Brazilians and one Uruguayan.
You just wait. They’ll get plenty of people that aren’t in the plans for the national team of their birth that are willing to switch for a sack of money and a chance to play in the world cup. Qatar already does this both in soccer and other sports.
I don’t bet on principle, sorry. At least, not money. I also agree that 2022 is too far away for a non-monetary bet.
Deco isn’t a good example for several reasons.
- There are strong links between Brazil and Portugal, not the least of which is a common language.
- Deco was willing to live in Portugal; he was naturalised after six years residency, and not picked immediately. (Presumably his parents and grandparents were all born in Brazil - or at least not-Portugal.)
- Portugal is not an also-ran country with no chance of international honours.
As of a revision to the regulations in 2008, a player wishing to adopt a new national team identity must reside in the new country for five years after his 18th birthday. That means anyone intending to do this must move by 2017.
Oh, and it appears that a player can play for one country at junior levels and transfer to a new country for senior internationals, but only if they make application by their 21st birthday.